Trumps defense secretary Gen. James Mattis Placing Russia first among threats

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    On the contrary, NATO is an organization of peace. And I am not joking.
     
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    Russia's closest land mass to the US is a mere few miles of ocean from Alaska. 55 miles across the Bering Strait in fact. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=r...UICCgB&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=-W23eQZd4CWpbM:
     
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    Serb , you live in Sweden and hate it?
     
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    But man, very predictable. Trump is a Republican. Putler and his thugs don't understand how our free world is functioning...
     
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    Not true. Asymmetric warfare - proxy wars, clandestine operations, subversion, etc. - can be quite profitable as well.
     
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    Trump by himself can't take off sanctions from Muscovy simply juridicly ...
     
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    Totally agree with you, in order to play this game you need a lot of conventional weapons as well, best and newest ...
     
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    It certainly has worked for America's enemies.
     
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    (1) How is that a threat to America?
    (2) There is no reason to believe Putin has any aspirations to invade Europe.
    (3) This runs 100% contrary to the non-interventionist foreign policy of the founding fathers.

    So what would we be sending them to die for then? Poland? Ukraine? Estonia? These are the countries that Americans must sacrifice themselves for? Why?

    They shouldn't fight for them. Not a single American should have to die in order to defend a foreign country unless it's directly related to our own national security.
     
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    The Russians weren't willing to fight over Georgia because they didn't want Georgia. Their incursion into Georgian territory was in response to a Georgian attack on South Ossetia. Once the Georgian threat was contained, the Russians left Georgia. Bush's tough guy posturing had nothing to do with it.
     
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    That's not what I meant at all.

    No one has benefited more from endless war than the profiteering corporations in the USA. That is why they are using their surrogates in the media to whip up anti-Russian hysteria, because they want to keep the tax dollars flowing into their coffers.
     
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    And Mattis is wrong, borderline treacherous for saying that Russia is a greater threat than AQ and ISIS.

    Russia did not murder 3,000 Americans on 9/11; Russia did not blow up the Boston marathon; Russia did not gun down over a dozen people in California; Russia did not slaughter French journalists at Charlie Hebdo; Russia did not go on a rampage in Paris.

    So anyone who does not believe AQ and ISIS are the biggest threats to America is either a liar or is unqualified to be the SECDEF.
     
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    The anti-Russian hysteria is currently coming form the Democrat Party and its' surrogates. The point I was making, every nation and it's corporations have benefitted by war mongering, justified or not. Our businesses during World War Two for example brought us out of recession and then contributed to a massive post economic boom.....we've maintained your assertion there since 1942.

    May I ask, Do you not want the finest fleets, aircraft, surveillance equipment, cyber security, ammunition, armor, army, and soldier possible? Want fighter and carrier borne aircraft finer than any other? Want the latest carrier, tank, pistol?

    That cost money, Ethereal. Correct?
     
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    The Ukraine must be following these events closely and nervously. Russia is not a threat to us, only to Europe unless we wrongly intervene over there. Even Europe is in little danger save eastern and only if they continue on a anti-Russian slope.

    Trump and Putin will get along initially for sure but it'll be interesting to see how long it will last. When events come up Trump will be under pressure from Republican warhawks and the defence secretary to take a hardline stance. He's already under it now. No one knows how Trump will react to events in Russia and the eastern Ukraine, not even he himself for sure. None the less so long as Putin is not too provactive like with invading more of the Ukraine or invading parts other countries or with buildups along the border he can keep a friendship with the US until he's no longer president. This will work hugely for both countries interests. Russia will be able to sell food to the US and sanctions hurting both will be lifted within 4 years
     
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    And for America. There are no innocents in this game. This is just Latin America-and includes the deposition of democratically elected governments.https://www.yachana.org/teaching/resources/interventions.html
    So much for the sanctity of democracy as incessantly preached by America.
     
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    Only if you believe the government, and not the market, is the source of economic growth and development.

    I've always wanted that, but believe we could achieve it at far less cost to the taxpayer. The reason we don't is because of war-profiteers who manipulate the political system.
     
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    Great lol, are you ready to die for Caribbean and Alaska?) Or the new Hitler can take it from you as well?
     
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    President-elect Donald Trump has hinted that he may lift sanctions on Russia and won't stand by the "One China" policy unless Beijing improves its currency and trade practices.
    Trump told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published Friday that he would keep intact "at least for a period of time" sanctions President Barack Obama's administration imposed on Russia last month over Moscow's alleged cyberattacks to influence the US election.
    But, if Russia helps the US on key goals such as fighting violent extremists, Trump suggested he may scrap the punitive measures altogether.
    He also said he was prepared to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin after taking office January 20.
    Source: http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ay-scrap-russia-sanctions-117011400251_1.html
     
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    'Even Europe is in little danger save eastern and only if they continue on a anti-Russian slope.' we will find ulus of juchi much like Finns and chechens did, and won. In Finnish case they found sovok which was 100 times more powerful than Mongols state of Juchi.
     
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    Didn't understand half of it

    Russia has a mixed track record in wars. They won in Georgia, the Ukraine, and against the Nazis in WWII. They lost against Japenese, and only won against the Checneans after huge casualties and many years.

    That being said, they are strong people, and even people in the US admit that. The Eastern Europearean countries one on one or even together without NATO a major Europearean powers help would lose against them.

    Poland loses against Russia, the Ukraine loses, Finland loses, Sweden loses, Poland loses, lithiniania and the Baltics lose. All together and alone over time they lose.

    This is unlikely save new events happen. It'll just be a cold crisis for at least the next ten years. A new president on ethier sides may result in something hot. Indeed, if Clinton had won, things would likely of gotten hot SOMEWHERE at least small. But shes gone.
     
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    What? You need to do some very serious reading. I don't think you know what NATO has been doing. Creating, supporting, and funding ISIS can hardly be called "an organization of peace".

    ..... and the illegal invasion of Irak on a lie of WMD's. "Peace" did you say?
     
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    Youre wrong about that but right that NATO is not an organization of peace. It is of war. They don't do humanitarian missions to Africa or Asia, or give supplies to the Carribearean for development. They have weapons, troops, nukes, all of that, something that a pure peace organization wouldn't have.
     
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    Thank you for posting this! As I've said before Russians are not the enemy of the United States. Russia wants to be as powerful and as influential as the U.S. but it doesn't want to fight the U.S.

    Now I'm referring to the Russian people in general with whom I've talked to both on Russian political sites (on VK) and in person when I visited Russia. They like America and don't want to fight us.

    Putin is a different matter. I don't think he wants war with the U.S. because he knows he can't win, not because he likes the U.S. He just might see the U.S. as an enemy. He's willing to hurt and kill a lot of civilians to expand Russia. He sees the U.S. attacking Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya so he sees no issue with Russia attacking Ukraine and Syrian rebels. To him he's playing the same game as the U.S.
     
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    if they won 2 Chechen wars 1) why ulus of juchi pays yearly war contribution to Chechnya (96% of its budget , in reality its way more) 2) why is Chechnya is an independent state med sharia , own army , etc. 3) how its possible that favorite PutinĀ“s fighter called openly by Chechens (from MP to famous sportsmen) to for a pederast, loser, coward , etc. , attacked his daughter and easy got away with this? [​IMG]http://echo.msk.ru/blog/echomsk/1851110-echo/comments.html http://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/fedo...aughter-assaulted-criticism-chechen-dictator/

     

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