Tulsi Gabbard - The next President of the USA

So you didn't vote for Obama or Hillary.

 

Wow a whole thread for TDS sufferers. Another no name want-a-be who is the savior. When will they learn. The only people who buy their hate Trump rhetoric is the liberal fringe.

 

Certainly her anti-war policy - including not spending Billions of dollars arming terrorists (Stop Arming Terrorists Act) - has the potential to benefit Americans.

 

There is Dem Establishment fatigue as well. The anti Establishment movement is big and has grown bigger since the last election on both sides of the fence. This is Establishment fatigue in general.

Establishment Fatigue is only a small part of Trump Fatigue however, this has nothing to do with the Dem's not being able to come up with a sensible list of possible runners. One has little to do with the other.

 

that's like saying u won't eat broccoli because u never had it before

 

Attending classes about the Military is not the same as "Serving in the Military" - and it certainly does not compare with Tulsi's service - which includes doing a 12 month tour in Iraq.

 

I do not give her good odds. That said - the electorate is in a foul mood and the anti-establishment fervor has only grown since the last election.

Bernie almost did it during the last election cycle. If Bernie was a younger man his odds for this cycle would be good. Bernie may not though.

If he doesn't run - the question then becomes "who will Bernie endorse" - and campaign for ? If Bernie throws down for Tulsi - she will have a good shot.

 

The ROTC military schools before 1970 are nothing like they are today.

Trump said he probably experience more military stuff than someone who was drafted and served two years in the army.

That's probably true, Trump probably spent more time of rifle drill on the grinder, on the rifle range, standing post, living under military conditions and regulations than someone who served two years in the army.

Pre 1970's ROTC military schools were no rose gardens.

If you served before 1970 you remember when you should up at basic training and the DI would ask are there any who attended a military academy ? They became your platoon guide and squad leaders during basic.

All you have to do is look at President Trump when he returns the salute to a Marine. It's a proper military salute.
President Reagan salute was that snappy cavalry officers salute. You rarely see today.

Ronald Reagan was the last President who served in the U.S. Calvary.

 

Training to go into combat - and "going into combat" are two different things. How much time did Trump spend in Vietnam ? = Zero.

Tulsi has more Military service cred than Trump.

"Tulsi Tulsi Tulsi"

 

Seems like no matter how many months or years you spend training for combat, you are never properly trained for combat.

It's an OJT thing.

When I arrived "in-county" in 1969 I felt I wasn't properly trained for combat.

All you have to do is look at the names on the"Wall" (Vietnam War Memorial)

50% of the names on the "Wall" who were killed in action (KIA) were killed during their first 90 days "in-country."

Tulsi was in a theatre of war, a REMF, a POG.

But then again, for every combat soldier or Marine there are 9 REMF's supporting him.

 

Agreed. That said - "training for combat" and "going into combat" are two different things. Tulsi actually went into combat - Trump ? not so much

Regardless - I am not saying that either is more or less qualified on the basis of military training, combat, or lack thereof.

I want a President to keep us out of war - unless absolutely necessary. If we do have to be in a war - let the Generals do their Job.

I do not want Generals making high level foreign policy decisions - once that policy has been decided on - I do not want the President dictating how best to get the job done in any significant measure.

For example - Pulling out of Syria is a foreign policy decision .. that is the purview of Political realm. If we were to stay and "fight".. how to conduct that fight is the purview of the Military.

 

And Bush the Junior?
Cocktail, State National Air Guard costing how much?

And the guy who went and fought, Kerry got "Swift Boated".
Go figure!


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So what are her policies exactly?

 

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Well she's not really a big supporter of the military and seems to want more immigration but leaning towards educated immigrants.
She seems to like the Chi-Coms and likes California's voter fraud of ballot harvesting and registering everyone to vote including illegal aliens.


Tulsi Gabbard is a Libertarian-Leaning Progressive.


http://www.ontheissues.org/house/tulsi_gabbard.htm

 

Gabbard will have to take down the corrupt DP establishment to have a chance. But that is not entirely impossible now.

"The categories of establishment and radical are tricky to define, except to say that the former wishes to preserve much of the status quo, while the latter seeks more fundamental change. If one side is full of people with opinions on how to set the dials, the other is full of people who say we need a new instrumental panel. This creates interesting alliances of left and right, ones that are less a union of extremes—a product of what political scientists call “horseshoe theory”—and more a union of dissent. A radical is not an extremist, necessarily. It’s someone who believes the fundamentals are flawed."
VANITY FAIR, HOPE VS. CHANGE: WHY SOME DEMOCRATS ARE TURNING ON OBAMA’S LEGACY, BY T.A. FRANK, JANUARY 9, 2019.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/why-democrats-are-turning-on-obamas-legacy

 

Ah... I don't have a problem with immigration per se, but illegal immigration whether overstay or EWI is complete bullshit.
Not a fan of the chi coms. Not a fan of ballot harvesting and damn sure not ok with non citizens being registered.
Come to think of it I'm not ok with them being counted for electoral college apportionment purposes either.

 

Thats like saying you'd hire a security systems expert with no security experience whatsoever, because working at your company is the only way for you to every know they are qualified.

 

Thats a positive point. But I am very interested if she wants to lower taxes for working and middle class Americans.

 

I would think so .. She is pretty tight with Sanders. I think there is a possibility that Sanders would endorse her should he choose not to run.

 

But does Bernie actually want to lower taxes on middle class Americans, or raise taxes to support a welfare state?

 

Bernie wants to stop redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the elite - which is what is happening.

Your second point contains a fallacy - that raising taxes necessarily = a welfare state.

 

What are you talking about " not a big supporter of the Military". How is not sending the troops into harms way for stupid reasons not supporting the troops ?

Just because someone does not want us involved in stupid wars - does not mean that one does not support the military. This is wandering into fallacy land.

Second - nothing in your link talks about ballot harvesting - and actually I do not even know what this is

Third - educated immigrants is a good thing is it not ? or should we just let in the dumb ones and the Islamist extremists who want to force their religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Sharia Law) ?

 

Gabbard isn't a believer in "Peace through strength."

She's more of using the military for liberal social engineering which she is an example of.

Would you want Gabbard leading an army infantry platoon into combat if your son was in that platoon ?

Gabbard like many liberals may support veterans only because they see veterans as voters but really don't support the active duty military.

Gabbard like most liberals think the military really shouldn't be in the war business but doing other things that has nothing to do with killing the enemy.

There was an outbreak of ebola in some shithole countries and Gabbard called for sending in the U.S. Army to build outhouses to crap in.

In 2012 Gabbard supported reducing defense spending.

 

To start with "Peace through Strength" is a nonsensical platitude - a high sounding phrase used to justify all kinds things which have no justification. Regardless how does Gabbard "not believe" in this ? How does she not believe in a strong military and what military intervention would you have her believe in - that she does not ?

Do you believe that we should be arming and supporting Al Qaeda (the 911 terrorists) ? Why are we in Syria to begin with ? What does do our actions in Syria have to do with Peace.

2) Good that she supported reduced Gov't spending - are you not in favor of reducing Gov't spending or are you one of those Socialists who just can not get enough wealth redistribution ?

Do you know what the Total Military Spend was in 2012 ? - and how is this spend justified - on the basis of what ? Should the spend be "unlimited"? is this what you are arguing for ?

The rest of your post does not relate to the above - and this is long already so I did not respond.

 

Yeah, Gabbard served at Logistical Support Area Anaconda in Iraq. Not exactly combat. Below is how Wiki describes it. Must have been tough duty.

It housed 28,000 military personnel and 8,000 civilian contractors.[citation needed] Like most large bases in Iraq, LSA Anaconda offered amenities, circa 2006 and later, including a base movie theater (Sustainer Theater), two Base/Post Exchanges (BX/PX), fast food courts including Subway, Popeyes, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell (2007), Burger King, Green Beans Coffee, a Turkish Cafe, an Iraqi Bazaar, multiple gyms, dance lessons, an Olympic size swimming pool, and an indoor swimming pool. The base was a common destination for celebritiesand politicians visiting US troops serving in Iraq on USO Tours including the Charlie Daniels band (2005), Vince Vaughn (2005), Carrie Underwood (2006), Wayne Newton, Gary Sinise, Chris Isaak, Neal McCoy, Oliver North, and WWE.[2]

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