U.S. factory decline suggests economy losing steam

Another dumb statement.

Oil is sold as a commodity. Do you HONESTLY think that the oil companies separate the oil that the find on public lands from the oil that they find in private lands?

 

The difference is....no thanks to Obama, since oil production from public lands are way down.

 

Obama can't claim credit for oil produced from private land because he's trying to discourage private drilling. He wants to get rid of the depletion allowance, etc. That wil make drilling by private companies more expensive. In turn that will discourage private drilling.

Obama is like the guy who killed his parents and pleads for mercy from the court because he's an orphan. Shakes head.

 

You're just introducing a red herring because you're either incapable of understanding the main premise or are just attempting to circumvent having to answer why it is that THE US IS PRODUCING MORE OIL SINCE 1999 YET GAS/OIL PRICES CONTINUE TO GO UP AND UP.

So it doesn't matter if the oil comes from public lands, private lands or if there is a magic statue somewhere in Oklahoma that pisses oil.

The right-wing meme of "drill baby, drill" in order to lower prices is a COMPLETE AND UTTER SHAM.

That's why we need the COMMON SENSE approach to actively and aggressively developing alternate sources of energy.

It's time to take our collective mouth off Big Oil's teat. It is a matter of National Security and economic stability.

Tell the Big Oil Corporatist Brown Shirts to go (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves. We have a future to build and it won't be built using petroleum.

 

Reread my post. Do you know what IF means? And you call my statements dumb.

 

The only way to reduce oil prices in a globalized world is to flood the world with oil. If one wants to get away from a globalized oil market then open up the country for drilling, build more infrastructure and require all sales be to American buyers for use in America.

 

I know exactly what "if" means. For instance:

IF you would posting complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*), people would take you more seriously.

Am I doing it right?

 

That is a ridiculous and simplistic idea that completely disregards the reality of the global oil market.

Flood the market with oil and oil producers will decrease production to stabilize prices.

You need to stop drinking the oil-flavored Kool-Aid.

 

Ok. Then lets import oil from the middle east and venezuela. That's the only other option. Don't even think about going Green. We will cause that meme to be stillborn.

 

Again... US oil production is at the highest level since 1999.
US demand is SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.
Yet gas prices are HIGH.

What is so difficult to understand about this? Even if you didn't have 7th grade economics, you should be able to figure it out.

Nobody has presented any counter-argument that goes beyond the "No thanks to Obama" mantra which does NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE FACTS.

I'm not sure where the logical disconnect is occurring here. Are right-wingers SO DELUDED by their media that they are incapable of digesting simple facts? That they will just continue to parrot debunked memes as though they were the gospel truth?

 

Frankly I don't care where the energy comes from as long as Green Energy is stymied.

 

Yes, you're COMPLETELY correct. It is by far MUCH better to continue on our current path of constant economic disruption that is generated from our heavy reliance on oil.

 

What's really bad is that these figures are trying to paint a rosier than real picture. Inflation is not counted in any real way in these figures. We are in a full blown depression.

 

Maybe you don't want to understand.

Obama would stop drilling on private land too if he could.

But with energy prices rising and his poll numbers falling Obama cynically taking credit for something he had nothing to do with.

 

MAC-7

Do you want public drilling to also increase?

If so what effect do you think this will have?

 

Nanowire trees sound great .
I want some .
I don't really understand a word of how they do it , but apparently the Sun's heat turns water into energy .
I"ll have some of that .



University of California, San Diego electrical engineers are building a forest of tiny nanowire trees in order to cleanly capture solar energy without using fossil fuels and harvest it for hydrogen fuel generation. Reporting in the journal Nanoscale, the team said nanowires, which are made from abundant natural materials like silicon and zinc oxide, also offer a cheap way to deliver hydrogen fuel on a mass scale.

“This is a clean way to generate clean fuel,” said Deli Wang, professor in the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering at the UC San Diego Jacobs School of Engineering.

The trees’ vertical structure and branches are keys to capturing the maximum amount of solar energy, according to Wang. That’s because the vertical structure of trees grabs and adsorbs light while flat surfaces simply reflect it, Wang said, adding that it is also similar to retinal photoreceptor cells in the human eye. In images of Earth from space, light reflects off of flat surfaces such as the ocean or deserts, while forests appear darker.

Wang’s team has mimicked this structure in their “3D branched nanowire array” which uses a process called photoelectrochemical water-splitting to produce hydrogen gas. Water splitting refers to the process of separating water into oxygen and hydrogen in order to extract hydrogen gas to be used as fuel. This process uses clean energy with no green-house gas byproduct. By comparison, the current conventional way of producing hydrogen relies on electricity from fossil fuels


Schematic shows the light trapping effect in nanowire arrays. Photons on are bounced between single nanowires and eventually absorbed by them (R). By harvesting more sun light using the vertical nanotree structure, Wang’s team has developed a way to produce more hydrogen fuel efficiently compared to planar counterparts where they are reflected off the surface (L). Image Credit: Wang Research Group, UC San Diego Jacobs School of Engineering.
“Hydrogen is considered to be clean fuel compared to fossil fuel because there is no carbon emission, but the hydrogen currently used is not generated cleanly,” said Ke Sun, a PhD student in electrical engineering who led the project.

By harvesting more sun light using the vertical nanotree structure, Wang’s team has developed a way to produce more hydrogen fuel efficiently compared to planar counterparts. Wang is also affiliated with the California Institute of Telecommunications and Information Technology and the Material Science and Engineering Program at UC San Diego.

The vertical branch structure also maximizes hydrogen gas output, said Sun. For example, on the flat wide surface of a pot of boiling water, bubbles must become large to come to the surface. In the nanotree structure, very small gas bubbles of hydrogen can be extracted much faster. “Moreover, with this structure, we have enhanced, by at least 400,000 times, the surface area for chemical reactions,” said Sun.


In this experiment, nanotree electrodes are submersed in water and illuminated by simulated sun light to measure electricity output of the device. Photo credit: Joshua Knoff, UC San Diego Jacobs School of Engineering.
In the long run, what Wang’s team is aiming for is even bigger: artificial photosynthesis. In photosynthesis, as plants absorb sunlight they also collect carbon dioxide (CO2) and water from the atmosphere to create carbohydrates to fuel their own growth. Wang’s team hopes to mimic this process to also capture CO2 from the atmosphere, reducing carbon emissions, and convert it into hydrocarbon fuel.

“We are trying to mimic what the plant does to convert sunlight to energy,” said Sun. “We are hoping in the near future our ‘nanotree’ structure can eventually be part of an efficient device that functions like a real tree for photosynthesis."

The team is also studying alternatives to zinc oxide, which absorbs the sun’s ultraviolet light, but has stability issues that affect the lifetime usage of the nanotree structure.

 

With some actual business experience....you left that out on purpose Walter.

 

As for the oil operations, I'm sure he will. However, I don't work in oil, so it does me no good. The price of gas will continue to rise regardless, as with all products we consume, as shrinking American wealth and demand dictates higher prices for companies to keep their profit margins, until of course they price themselves out of business. As for "obamacare" and illegals, if he doesn't do anything about these things, will you admit to yourself it is all a charade and never support either party again? Not trying to be a jerk. I would just like some for sure markers from the diehards of both camps to guarantee more and more wake up when nothing happens.

 

The jobs are out there. The problem is many people today don't have the qualifications or the education to qualify for them.

Barack Obama and the Democrats have made poverty so comfortable for so many people that they don't believe they have to work hard, go to school and get a good education to live comfortably.

 

Can you tell us how we are going to get from not using oil?

such as
Tractor trailers that haul all of the goods we need
cars to get to and from work
oil based products that are used in plastics
oil based products in lubrication needs for machinery, manufacturing, and other production needs
the use of oil to create steel, high carbon steel, low carbon steel, slitting and rolling of carbon and stainless steels
heavy ocean line tankers needed to carry imports and exports
airliners used to transport people and goods in, out and around the nation
heavy equipment needed to build houses, buildings, roads, bridges etc.

I could go on and on, but lets start with these.

 

They can't think anyone's actually buying it. I can see the economic devastation in Southern California from my backyard.

 

All of those problems will be addressed with Unicorn factories, rainbow powered love machines and Strawberry scented welfare checks. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

 

What on earth is your point here?

That we cant do without oil? Well thats rather unfortunate isnt it? After all, it takes about a billion years of alot of pressure to get more.

Is it biofuels you want?

Sooner or later you cons will have to come up with something.

 

So there are jobs after all?

What a surprise, another con has just confounded the GOPs own arguments in the current economy.

Just like the last guy who used the improving economic record to defend the GOPs record in the house since 2011.

Priceless guys keep it up.

 

Actually we don't have to come up with any solutions. Seriously. The left has allowed itself to drift into an untenable position in its model of govt. and society. Collapse is coming. All we have to do is keep the political system frozen. And the US Constitution is designed to allow a determined group of people to prevent action.