UK Conservatives win BIG: Boris Johnson hails 'new dawn' after historic victory

Maybe there's not so much to heal.

Not everyone in Scotland wants to stay in the EU - for every 3 people that voted to remain, 2 voted to stay in the EU.

And in the general election, Scottish Nationalists may have won 80% of the seats, but captured 45% of the vote - most people voted for someone else.

 

When a country breaks up, the infrastructure ends up being broken up too. New controls would need to be implemented. Many companies that had locations in areas they become new countries will end up making decisions - which country to stay in.
The most logical choice is to stay with country that has higher population.

The double whammy that Scotland would experience if it became independent would be in the fact that their supply chains are ruined by Brexit and then on the top of that they’ll break their supply chains with England and many of their large employers will go bankrupt or will leave for the time being.

Independent Scotland is pretty much set for failure, at least in the first couple of decades of independence. Look at ex-USSR countries for a good example.

 

no your'e spoilt, like most people in the west. And oblivious to the problems faced by the third world. They are free and dying from thirst, hunger lack of health and sanitation. They are free to find those things themselves... but if there's none to be found it's not going to fall out of the sky

 

Well that is a kind of twist. The majority of English and Welsh, a very small majority voted to leave after a very short campaign where they were told a great many lies some of which I hear some of them still believe - like it will bring money to the health service.

The majority of people in Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU
A strong majority 62% in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. This was particularly pertinent as very near the Independence vote when Westminster became afraid Yes could win, all the leaders came up to Scotland threatening everyone they would lose everything they loved ....and....that if they wanted to stay in the EU the only way they could guarantee that would be if they stayed in the United Kingdom. This of course was a big lie on an important issue of Independence.

Prior to the Brexit vote Nicola Sturgeon had tried to get Cameron to agree that a vote out could only come into effect if it was the vote of the majority of the countries of the UK. He refused.

I understand that people had a free choice on who to vote and have heard of no problems concerning that. That however is not the same as having as a fair, democratically constructed election. I would suggest that the UK has been moving and is starting to move very fast into what is called a Managed Democracy which has very little to do with Democracy and from what I hear is a very poor way of Government as well.

So, Scotland did not vote to leave the EU. Indeed it voted to stay in the Union in order that it could stay in the EU. Scotland was also given a Vow on all the wonderful things which would happen if they voted to stay in the Union. These included being an equal partner, being all but in word a Federal State, being in charge of this and that. Although some things were further devolved these main things did not happen as has particularly been seen during the 'Brexit Talks'. Indeed quite the contrary England is intending on taking some of Scotland's powers back. So while indeed this was a fair vote as far as the people of England is concerned, and please be aware that despite his apparently massive majority, Boris and the Tories only got the vote of 42% of the British Electorate. It can though be said under the English system of first past the post to be a fair result for the English - though I could argue even there that is not true. But it could be argued so. For Scotland however it is not fair. So Scotland will probably go Independent regardless of the desire of the Westminster not to let her go. It is looking like at last Scotland's Labour is seeing the light on that. It was Labour sticking with Westminster against Independence which caused Labour to lose support in Scotland.

cont'd

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2019/12/15/open-letter-scottish-labour-for-radical-democracy/

Scotland has not given up its rights to democracy and No, for Scotland this was anything but a fair and democratic response to the vote on leaving the EU.

 

Just maybe success and failure is measured in different terms. Not only about wealth. Perhaps having enough to get by is the starting point.

 

Nikola Sturgeon head of the Scottish Nationalist Party has already told BoJo that she will hold another referendum on Scottish independence whether he likes it or not.If Scotland leaves the U.K. a UNIFIED IRELAND won't be too far behind.

 

Who promised the Scots that we would stay in the EU?

I don't deal with the Scots - you mean how does the gov deal with Krankie and Blackford - The gov have explicitly stated that they do not intend to allow her an Indi2 in the next gov, so at least for the next 4-5 yrs ( since this gov will undoubtedly repeal the Fixed term Act it could be shorter). So in the short term she won't get her twice in a lifetime referendum - in the long term I should imagine they will get it. Would the Scots vote to Leave the UK? Would the EU accept them? Would there have to be a hard border?

Have to kneel? What on earth is that supposed to mean?

 

Answer a question asked by the Irish and they change the question - but the real question is not emotional but economic. As is, the NI will have the best of both worlds -

 

If there are two different systems either side of a border it is a hard border.

 

Why do you think the 'real' question is economic? Can you back that statement up or is it simply an opinion?

 

The Unions are funded by the EU, to a very great extent, and they were threatening strike action if we won - mainly for the post over the election and Christmas - but we don't now totally rely on the Royal Mail so they backed off. Things ain't what they were in the 1970s. Illegal strikes would harm the strikers most - what the **** would they live on whilst on strike and with mass cheap labour entering the country would their jobs still be there when they were finished striking? The answer is no - no they wouldn't be. .
The EU harmed the working classes more than any other parts of society - those workers that Labour not only turned its back on but insulted to the hilt. Labour are finished because they have been usurped by champagne socialists in London - none who voted Labour in London understand that ( as my burning ears can contend!!!).

I am as sorry as any other that this has happened to the working people's Labour Party - and I too voted Tory for the very first time in 50 yrs of voting.

Te Scots must do what they think fit ---

 

I wish the best to the Scotts. We in Quebec tried twice to have our independence from Canada via referendum and failed, the last one was 49% for and 51% against.
But even if we had been successful there was no garantee that the federal would have respected the will of the people and since they control the armed force and the money...
Because you see, people who try to get their independence via the ballot box are rarely motivated enough to take up arms. There is a tiny minority that would, but the vast majority prefer a peaceful resolution. So what's the danger for the federal if they say no? Nothing.

And in the case of Quebec, the time for independence has pass. Political parties that ran on it are in strong decline. The SND is Scotland version of the Partie Quebecois here. They're a protest vote machine. People will tire of protesting in time.

 

The Labour Party gave up on its reason for being with Tony Blair and New Labour. It also gave up on John Smiths determination to get a sound Democracy in a Federal UK. Blair chose instead opening Britain up to Global Corporate Power over Democracy - the reason being that he wanted power.

People suffered the loss of support from their Party - not just from their Party no longer being there for them but due to their Unions/workers clubs and so on being shut through Thatcherism. You may not know it but Unions are a necessity in a Capitalist Democracy.

So the BNP came along and wooed these people. They would provide the support these people needed and make sure everything was alright with them. The problem after all was all these dark immigrants particularly Muslims - the BNP like all such organisations still hate Jews the most but they were quite capable of going with the fashion to get new members. They didn't last though so those people went to UKIP. The Tories have always had an extreme right wing and they have always been able to pull any such intentions from others - they did it in the 80's, they did it again with Brexit - though this time much much more.

These people now are voting Tory as Tory now is their far right position.

 

The British pound has risen some after the election. This portends good things for the UK.

The bottom didn't fall out.

 

Fascinating. Once again British and American politics mirror one another.

One of the main reasons why Donald Trump is president is because the Democratic party has done the exact same thing as the Labour party - turned its back on working people and their concerns to push the agendas of "progressive" elites and their special interest groups. Trump could not have won the 2016 election without his victories in industrial Rust Belt states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Now all Democrats and the "progressive" elites who have overrun their party can do is pray for a recession that will hurt the miners, farmers and factory workers that they spit on as unemployment in our country has reached a 50 year low.

 

Remember how we were assured that the stock market in the U.S. would crash if Trump got elected president?

It was a howler then and it's even funnier to look back on the doomsday predictions of those "experts" now...

All the Experts Who Told Us Stocks Would Crash if Trump Won
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-who-told-us-stocks-would-crash-if-trump-won/

 

The BBC may be dismantled now. Heart be still.

 

Remember the Trump Bump of 2016?

The Dow gained 257 points on the day Trump got elected and over 1200 points during the first month following his election.



Orange Man bad! The sky is falling! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

 

I'll take you on, what's wrong with improving the social care system? Do you understand how it currently works? How long has this been an issue?

 

And that will almightily piss off the other European Nations. We dealt a huge blow to the Eurozone by leaving, it may not be tomorrow, but we will end up having destroyed the European Union.

 

Enjoy your chlorinated chicken.

 

It is news to me that Trade Unions are funded by the EU. I thought they were funded by membership subscriptions.
Can you supply any details?
With the Mail strike, did they back off or were they taken to court by the bosses who contested the validity of the ballot?

 

LOL - Why do Lefties always threaten Canada after they lose an election?

Don Cherry Tells 'Left-Wing Kook' Americans To Stay Home ...

And why do they never make good on their promise to leave?

'I really will': the stars who didn't move to Canada when Trump won
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/22/move-to-canada-celebrities-donald-trump

 

Nothing wrong with improving the care system, it depends on how you do it.