UK Muslim Couple Sentenced to Life for Honor Murder of Daughter

Parents of Shafilea Ahmed sentenced to 25-years after being found guilty of her 'honour' killing

A Pakistani couple murdered their westernised daughter because they were more concerned about shame in their community than about their children, a judge said.


Iftikar and Farzana Ahmed, strict Muslims who are first cousins from the same village in Pakistan, were jailed for life after being found guilty of the 2003 honour killing of their “determined” and “ambitious” daughter Shafilea. They were told they would serve at least 25 years.

They suffocated the 17 year-old in front of their four other children at their home in Warrington, Cheshire after she rejected a forced marriage in Pakistan.
The couple escaped justice for almost nine years, accusing officers of victimisation and stereotyping for suspecting them after her body was found months later in a river in Cumbria.

Detectives made a breakthrough in 2010, when Shafilea’s younger sister admitted having seen her mother and father kill their daughter.


Mr Justice Roderick Evans, at Chester Crown Court, told her parents: “Although you lived in Warrington, your social and cultural attitudes were those of rural Pakistan and it was those you imposed upon your children.

“She [Shafilea] was being squeezed between two cultures, the culture and way of life that she saw around her and wanted to embrace, and the culture and way of life you wanted to impose upon her … an expectation that she live in a sealed cultural environment separate from the culture of the country in which she lived was unrealistic, destructive and cruel.”
He added: “Your concern about being shamed in your community was greater than your love of your child.”

Shafilea, who was born in Bradford and dreamed of being a lawyer, was always aware that her parents wanted an arranged marriage for her in Pakistan.
Her father imposed his strict code despite having previously been married to a Danish woman, with whom he had a child and enjoyed drinking and discos. She left him after he married Farzana who was already pregnant.
In her teens Shafilea regularly clashed with her parents over clothing, money and especially boyfriends.
In 2003, after she had run away, they drugged her and put her on a flight to Pakistan, to be married to a man ten years older. But while staying with her grandparents in rural Punjab, she deliberately swallowed bleach. Her throat was so badly damaged that she had to return home, preventing the marriage.

Back in Warrington Shafilea was regularly locked in her room, starved and beaten. On Sept 11 2003, Farzana picked her daughter up from her job. Seeing Shafilea in what she considered indecent clothes, she accused the girl of bringing shame on the family. At home, she pinned Shafilea down and told her husband in Punjabi: “Just finish it here.” The other children saw them force a plastic bag into her mouth and choke her to death.
The couple were arrested in December 2003, but when detectives held a public appeal for information, the Ahmeds gatecrashed and protested their innocence.
Finally, in August 2010, police arrested Shafilea’s younger sister Alesha on suspicion of organising a robbery at the family home. Alesha, who is now 21, told officers that she had seen her mother and father kill Shafilea. During the trial the couple, with the support of three of their children, maintained their innocence. But after eight weeks, Farzana changed her story, claiming her husband had been behind the attack and she had supported him out of fear.
Shafilea’s brother Junyad remained loyal to his parents. The judge said: “I have no doubt that, as the result of the distorted upbringing and values to which you subjected him, he told his surviving sisters within minutes of them seeing Shafilea murdered by you that Shafilea deserved it.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...being-found-guilty-of-her-honour-killing.html



I guess that's as heavy a sentence as you can get in the UK. They deserve to be hanged by the neck for the murder, but they'll get all the comforts of the UK prison system.

Can they go to college in there? Join a Muslim prayer group? I guess so.

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Murder.

Terrible.

That is the thing about all religion, certainly the three organised and primary one's.

They all have, at various points, been culpable of doing terrilble things, to each other, and to others, that they may think is 'divine'.

Look at all those evaneglicals in the US.

Dear - oh - me.......sad, sad people.

Imagine living and devoting your LIFE, not to living this one and being a good person, to for some probable fantasy.

It is all self delusion, and the problem with THAT, is that is the self delusion becomes hardened in the mind of the wrong mind....you get things like this.

Imo.

But he was tried.

Jury.

Prosecution.

Defence.

Evidence.

Jury.

He will likely never get out.

End of really..

 

Move to a Western Nation. Make your daughter marry her cousin.

Act surprised when she resists.

Kill her in front of your children.

Priceless...

Keep it coming muzzies.

 

3 or 4 MILLION Muslims immigrate.

A few families get crazy and kill their daughters o kids, just like the Christians do in the county they moved to.

Same crimes as the locals, a different excuse. Crazy is crazy.

 

British have no claim to enforce "morality" after what they did to China, India, Rhodesia, South Africa, Germany, Yugoslavia, Poland, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria.

 

Getting back to the OP, what do you think of honor killings? Are they justified?

 

I hope they both rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.

 

No Muslims or Islam don't condone honor killings. Honor killing has as much to do with Islam as Christianity has to do with pedophilia. Given that its so rampant in Christian priests, I did say there's a stronger case of linking Christianity to pedophilia. Or was it just more bigoted nonsense on your part?

 

Plenty of honour killings in Christianity and Judaism and Hindism and all the other 'isms

Honour killing has nothing to do with Islam

 

I do too...as there was some doubt over their guilt. I would hate to see them executed, only to find later that this conviction is unsafe.

 

Please cite specific examples.

 

Are you serious? In the minds of those depraved, backward parents the killing was justified. In the mind of any right-thinking person they're an aberration.

 

...religion of peace.

 

http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2010/12/another-honor-killing.html
http://www.islamawareness.net/HonourKilling/outside.html

 

Yeah, I can dig up more from muslims if I had the energy. Sadly, you and I both know that this is a muslim problem by and large. Some Pakistani who hacks his wife's head off with a sword, comes to my head. They do not fit in wherever they settle in the west and it's starting to become a problem.

 

You mean like how common it is for Christian priests to be pedophiles?

 

Man they made really good use of the race card there. The golden race card had a nine year expiration date! Amazing!

Anyone know where I can get me one of those cards? Think I'm eligible for one? I'm 29 white male.

 

Not true, some feel that it is and some feel that it isn't. As Islamists gain power over states, you can expect to see more honor killings.

"In the heat of the Jordanian debate, this parliamentary coalition of several Islamist groups, most of whom affiliate with the Muslim Brethren, issued a fatwa that declared honor-killings are seen as favorable by Islam; male relatives should punish their female relatives and not leave this duty to the state. Ibrahim Zayd al-Kaylani, head of the IAF's Ifta ' committee, said that a man who restrains himself from committing an honor killing, leaving this unpleasant burden to the government, "negates the values of virility advocated by Islam." Article 340, Kaylani added, is based on "the Islamic principle that allows a Muslim to defend his honor, property, and blood."36 Muhammad 'Uwayda, dean of Zarqa University's Shari'a College and a member of the lower house, stated that while the Shari'a does prohibit individuals from taking the law into their own hands, "cases where a man catches his wife committing adultery are the exception."37 The IAF issued a fatwa to the effect that "canceling Article 340 would contradict the Shari'a."38 Thus the Jordanian Islamic Movement has suddenly declared that honor-killings are part of Islamic dogma rather than a detestable remnant of tribal paganism.

The Islamic establishment adopts a legalistic approach to the teachings of Islam, arguing that honor killings are not prescribed in the Qur'an. The Islamists, in contrast, see honor killings in the cultural context of Islamic teachings and find it consistent with "the values of virility."

http://www.meforum.org/50/honor-murders-why-the-perps-get-off-easy


You know, I haven't seen a comparison between the child rape figures for secular school teachers vs priests. What if, the statistics were to show that kids were statistically safer with a priest than a college or grade school official?

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How common is it?

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Comparing the incidence of sexual misconduct in schools with the Catholic Church scandal, Shakeshift notes that a study by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops concluded that 10,667 young people were sexually mistreated by priests between 1950 and 2002.
In contrast, the extrapolates from a national survey conducted for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000 that roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a public school employee between 1991 and 2000.
The figures suggest “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests,” said Shakshaft, according to Education Week.
Indeed, more than 4.5 million students are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarden and 12th grade, says the report.


http://wizbangblog.com/2011/07/08/s...ely-more-than-100-times-the-abuse-by-priests/

 

Well, it was my way of trying to get the thread back on-track. Considering that Ivan88 immediately deflected the problem over to British colonialism, it sure seemed odd. Come to think of it, there's been an AWFUL lot of deflection going on here. stuff like

... along with a few other comments. Heck, even Don's talking about comparing the odds of assault in schools to assault by priests. So I'd say the thread was derailed pretty well, and as of the time I'm posting this, we haven't even finished page 2 yet. Given how quickly some people here wanted to change the subject, I'd say it's touching a nerve they'd rather not see touched.

By the way...

... you just lost the argument.

 

Yes.

I get that.

But we are speaking of criminal law, within our nation.

Murder tends to end up with the killer going to prison.

Whatever the motive.

That is what has happened here.

A couple killed.

And they will never get out again.

End of story, really, but I suspect *some people* may just be using it as a mean to bash 'Muzzies'.

 

What I found interesting and reprehensible about this case was that the parents used the whole culture of liberal PC and the fear of condemning foreigners and minorities to effectively stymie a full investigation into the murder for a decade. Every time the police or journalists tried to zero in on the parents, they cried "racism" and "cultural bias" and "stereotyping". Then the usual crowd of fuzzy-headed PC types would leap to the defence of the parents and whatever progress had been made in the investigation would come to a standstill.

The lesson to learn from this affair is that the PC types are wrong. Cops know that if a spouse has been murdered the odds are very good that the other spouse either did it or had it done, but as soon as cultural judgements come into the mix cop judgement is apparently no longer accepted. This is the legacy of racism in such police forces colliding with the idiotic viewpoint of "anybody is better than us" cultural relativist leftists (PC taken to a stupid extreme). Another lesson is it took another fairly westernized daughter to speak out in order to get her guilty parents convicted.

 

A British court enforces British law on people who live in Britain. What seems to be the problem for racist Americans, and what has it to do with them?

 

Holy Moly, this topic is REALLY touching some nerves, isn't it?

What does a ruling in a British court have to do with Americans? I could say this is a WORLD News forum, so anyone anywhere is allowed to comment on what other countries are doing. Unless you're saying that only people in England can comment on this topic. But if that's the case...

... I sense a disconnect.