US invasion of China.

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  1. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    Why have to wait for such a long time? Your Granny must have told you a more efficient method that was learned from the tragedy of your ancestors: Distribute a smallpox-infested blanket to every Chinese.
     
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    Actually, the Rocket (as in V2) was developed in the United States.

    Dr. Wernher von Braun said repeatedly said he could not have developed the A series of rockets (of which the V2 is the most famous) without Robert Goddard's research into liquid fueled rockets.

    http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Goddard.html

    So actually, this was developed in the United States, not Europe. Or I could even go further and say that rockets themselves (the solid fuel kind) was actually a Chinese invention, so the real credit goes to Asia.
     
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    My friend, why take so much trouble? Personally, if I were the US President, I would trick the Chinese leader into adopting the policy of same-sex marriage as a human right for all Chinese, and sit back and watch them collapse on their own. No war or occupation needed. Let them handle their own issues themselves.
     
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    Unfortunately for your people, you were not born during the era of the discovery of the so-called New World; otherwise the history of the world would be entirely different.
     
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    How to cooperate with Russia when the Americans are contemplating some monkey business in the Russian backyard?

    US Mulls Attacking Syria
    Gen. Dempsey: Obama Given Several Options for 'Kinetic Strikes'
    http://news.antiwar.com/2013/07/18/us-mulls-attacking-syria/
     
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    My friend, if your plan really works, the Chinese would have done that to the Americans long ago. You should consider some other magic tricks of yours.

    BELL THE CAT
    http://kidsfront.com/stories-for-kids/bell_the_cat.html
     
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    Sadly, we have seen all to often how China regards "human rights". From having their Army mow down peaceful protestors, to selling executed political prisoners for profit. As for "same sex marriage", homosexual relations have only been decriminalized there since 1997, and removed the the list of mental illnesses since 2001. I doubt tehy are anywhere near that happening, let alone other basic human rights, like freedom of religion.

    Interesting statement, since I am of American Indian descent.

    However, the treatment largely depended on the tribes in the area, and who controlled that area. The French were considered to be very kindly to peaceful tribes, and the same was generally true with the English and the Dutch. The Spanish (and to a lesser extent the Portuguese) are the ones that really gave that entire era a bad reputation for Europeans.

    I for one pretty much reject the concept of "Indian Genocide", because you had some tribes which were generally very warlike who suffered great losses, then others who were generally peaceful and did quite well over the centuries. In fact, what has been lost mostly in the last 100-150 years is more the identity of being an "Indian" then anything else.

    My great-grandfather left the Potawatomi Reservation shortly after the turn of the last century, and settled down into normal "American Life". On the other side of my family tree I also have several Indian ancestors, from Cherokee to Lakota. And like most Americans, they generally cast off "tribal considerations" and just melded with the rest of the society. The children of immigrants generally retain little "home affiliation" other then during holidays and celebrations (Cinco de Mayo for Mexicans, St. Patricks Day for the Irish, etc). Heck, my son most of the time even has to be reminded that he is Hispanic, and rarely remembers that his own mom is an immigrant.
     
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    Don't presume. Even a tiny impoverished country like North Korea dares to threaten the US with nuclear war.

    How Mr. Kim Came to Declare War on the United States
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/05/how-mr-kim-came-to-declare-war-on-the-united-states/

    Kim Jong Un reveals his 'U.S. mainland strike plan': Pictures inside North Korean leader's war room show him plotting to attack America (with a map of target cities on the wall behind him)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...otos-Kim-Jong-Un-plotting-attack-America.html

    North Korea crisis: Kim Jong-un threatens 'all-out nuclear war'
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...gun-threatens-allout-nuclear-war-8555350.html

    North Korea threatens U.S. with nuclear war
    http://www.latitudenews.com/story/north-korea-threatens-u-s-with-nuclear-war/
     
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    Sure or not, selling executed political prisoners for profit? To whom?

    It looks like the lack of so-called human rights in homosexual relations is a blessing in disguise for the Chinese. Just imagine the consequences if every Chinese opts for same-sex marriage.
     
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    Suppose you were an Indian chief in the early days of the discovery of the New World, would you crucify the European immigrants along a 200 km section of road to discourage other Europeans from settling in the New World?
     
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    Gunther Von Hagens, to start with, as well as other similar exhibitors.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5637687

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/182902-body-worlds-challenged-to-provide-dna/
     
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    What is the result of the DNA tests?
     
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    The poster should have posted this thread in the "political jokes" column.

    The topic is rather like the fable concerning a group of mice debating plans to nullify the threat of a marauding cat. Most probably all sorts of ridiculous plans have been discussed by the mice such as cutting off the cat's head, cutting the cat into halves, cooperating with a dog, crucifying the cat, allying with other farm animals to fight with the cat, creating a secret chemical that can be added to the cat's food to render it sterile, etc.

    We just have to sit back and enjoy reading all the jokes.

    Who Will Bell the Cat?
    http://shortstoriesshort.com/story/who-will-bell-the-cat/

    Belling the cat
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat
     
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    let me know how you gonna turn a radioactive fallout from xxxxx years to a decade. oh are you claim you are expert on chinese nuke design lol
    ddg-google china ddg
    wrong military stuff especially sub system are usually not light years ahead. the electronics etc in there are industrail grade chips, which by the time the whole system put together, its outdated by 10yrs compare to latest chips.
    i'm not saying china is state-art, but its modern. read their spec on 52c 54a etc.
    revese engineering Not= copies, let me know when that sink in.
    In us R&D base, or contractor, there are tons project on reverse engineering. UK invent tnak, germany invent v2/jets, guess whos benefit from these tech by reverse engeineering.
     
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    oh come on don't try to turn black to white, give credit when is due. if by your anaylsis no one can't develop rocket without ideas from ancient chinese etc. pretty much everyone recognize the v2 was developed in german.
    my point was everyone use others idea for improvements on their own system etc
    http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blrocketv2.htm

     
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    If you notice, that was dated less then a week ago. They will not be out that fast.

    But Gunther von Hagens has already removed several displays and had them cremated and sent back to China after it was discovered they had bullets in the brain.
     
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    First off if it did it could not win, just as if China invaded the US, they could not win.
    Why would either commit economic suicide.
     
  18. Albert Di Salvo

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    You assume the Chinese hold the same values and use the same thought processes as Americans. In other words you assume Mirror Imaging which isn't the case.

    You also ignore the divisions of political opinion among Chinese. China has its own militarists who hold great power. The relationship of the Peoples Liberation Army to the Chinese Communist Party has no analogue in the United States or in any other Western country.

    Imo most PLA officers now believe they could actually seize Taiwan in three days...albeit at a high price. Imo there is also a faction that believes a sharp limited war with the United States is possible to win.

    These are folks who are ready to throw off Deng Xiao Ping's Peaceful Rise trope. Their power can be seen over the last two years as the Politburo members jockeyed for power. Look at Chinese assertiveness in the South China Sea and the East China Sea.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    No I don't think they are a mirror society, your assumption is based on ignorance of my background and experience, I have been to China several times and have worked for two different Chinese companies.
    Could they take Taiwan, sure, but could they take the US, nope, just as we could not take China.
     
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    Personally, I think that if there was ever to be war between the PRC and the US, it will be over either Taiwan, or the Senkaku Islands.

    And this will be because in both cases, the PRC will be the aggressor, and the US will be responding because of treaty requirements. And while I do not think that China would try a direct attack upon either, there are conditions where I think such an attack might happen.

    Especially in the event of internal strife, if the Politburo feels threatened for it's own stability, like if there was a major economic downturn or civil unrest. Then it might attempt a "limited war of national unification", hoping that an external war might help restore their power (like Argentina did in 1982). However, if they tried that they would also bring in the US, and then who knows where it will go from there.

    Because sadly, the Us for over 30 years had a pretty ambiguous relationship with Taiwan. One of the worst things I think President Carter did was to abolish the "Two China" policy, and break official relations with Taiwan. Among his great many political blunders, I think that is one that will haunt us for decades to come.
     
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    You are so irratating. Why won't you grow some brains for yourself already!? What radioactive fallout "from xxxx years" i should turn to a decade and why? Explain yourself and in understandable form, please.
    What does DDG have in common with technology?
    Also, can't see anything impressive in Japanese army.No offensive capabilities=victim and whipping boy.
    Nothing impressive.
    J-11 is Su-27 pure copy, with you agree or not.
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    You have no clue what reverse enginering is. Germany had tanks, France had tanks without access for British one. Britain had jets, USA had jets, USSR had jets before having german ones. Same goes for missiles. Go and educate yourself.
     
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    Probably.

    Probably.

    I think Uncle Sam's character has changed. His word can no longer be trusted. That's what I suspect what Japan, S. Korea, and others must be thinking right now....especially after Japan's Abe sought reassurance from the president over the Diaoyu Islands and didn't receive it.

    America is at a stage when it has the world's best military and the world's worst political culture. The existence of America's political culture in all of its internal toxicity creates the temptation for other nations to take the risk of acting on America's perceived weakness.

    This generation of Chinese is especially susceptible to appeals to nationalism.

    The Soviet Union was on a roll. Carter acted on the Cold War imperative of getting Chinese help. Carter sacrificed the future for the present. In any event it's too late to save Taiwan because more than half the Taiwanese people believe in accommodating Beijing. They sabotaged their own defense acquisitions. Such people are unworthy of American assistance.
     
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    Were you a tourist?

    Did you deliver Chinese take out?
     
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    oh plz ive been an engineer for decade and do a lot study on asia china/japan etc stuff, its is you who has no clues on the stuff. think nuke is "clean" let me know the source where USSR has something like v2 before german. you ask whats ddg, i said google china ddg, cause you were complain china can only copy, lol. go educate yourself on current china stuff.

    j11 is NOT pure su27, the airframe sure, the electronic, fire & control etc etc is different.

    i'm not talking about japan army, their navy/air force is one of the top. you really need to do research on their aegis ship/subs/anti-sub etc etc

    wait i know you gonna say j10 is copy of israel/f16, 52c, 54a is copy of what? j11b is copy from su27 again etc etc. you need goto china and see there are plenty smart people there that can study/improve/create their own stuff.

    but hey go ahead continue underestimate china.

    oh let me know how many people agree with you on nuclear weapon is "clean" lol
     
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    Nobody would buу this type of (*)(*)(*)(*) over here. Your are as far from engineer as I am from balet dancer.
    I gave your the link. You have failed your reading comprehention, Mr. Engineer?
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    Why would I? I never said USSR had something "like V2". V2 was inaccurate and ineffective waste of resources. Three times more people died while manufacturing the thing, than from it's combat perfomance.
    There were other rocketery stuff. Like the sound.
    BM-13.
    [video=youtube;rBvC2Wd-Jfw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvC2Wd-Jfw[/video]
    Whatever. I guess nobody takes you serious anymore. You are a Chinese fanboy in denial.
    Alredy meets the basic limit for being called a copy. J-11 is a copy. J-7 is a copy. J-15 is a copy.J-31 is a copy. J-20 is a combination of Mig-1.44 and F-22. Face it.

    Failed your reading comprehension again? I said that an army (air force and navy included) without offensive capabilities is a victim by defenition. It would be never able to strike back and could be easily overtaken with overloading defences on a certain direction.
    U right, it is a copy of Lavi.
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    Don't know, but Type 094 is likely to be a copy of project 667.
    I have never said that Chinese are stupid. I only said that they have not developed their own engineering school yet and most of Chinese stuff are just copies. Your attempts to fight the truth are ridiculous.


    Let me know, when you finish your reading, Mr. Engineer (sic!).
     

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