US pushing UN to lift ban on cluster bombs, say campaigners

Excellent question.

I shall attempt an answer.

See, by you and your brothers confusion, they have succeeded in respect of being able to literally blur the 'motives' so much, so often, and through so many (corporate and elite owned) media, that you eventually become confused as to who you are fighting, why, and to what end.

To achieve this, the motives will often be shifted around.

For example, for a time, hours will be dedicate to the idea that the 'reason' is to 'fight the Taliban'. That's it. That is all you get. No context, no serious attempt to even inform people of the history of who the Taliban are. A focal point is needed, and the Taliban are perfect for it, because you can augment that line I mentioned, with lots of images of strange looking men with beards, possibly carrying guns.

Then a shift takes place. They might crank up the fratenal card, which, of course, is entirely counterfeit. 'We are helping the Afghani people secure democracy', is the new reason. Cut to pictures of impoverished looking people, with the implication that this is a direct result of the Taliban. Therefore, the US has to go on an 'ethical crusade' to 'save the people of Afghani'.

Anyway, this process goes on and on, until one day, an entire nation almost cannot remember what the formal and original reasons were.

They mastered this in Iraq. You will hear those that deny that the reasons were that Saddam had WMD's. Instead, they will tell you that the primary reason was that 'he was killing his own people', 'We went there to help Iraqi's', and 'He was killing Kurds'.

So, you see, over time, by filtering out lots of reasons, over time, even the formal reason is either forgotten or mistaken.

And if you forget or become blurred as to why you are murdering these Gov named 'enemies', that also suits them, since now that they have blurred your recollection and reasoning powers, they can now simply put up a pic of a Muslim in a beard, on TV, attach some alleged threat made to American to said person (it has happened before, that many of those so called Muslims who made post 911 'terror tapes', were bogus and not terrorists at all, not even Muslims), and now one is conditioned into associating scary man in beard with - having to murder his kind, for reasons I cannot remember.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KpRq-b-n6U"]ADL Exposed: (Anti Defamation League) A Zionist Propaganda and Fake Agency - YouTube[/ame]

 

If that is true, why do you support the use of WP and cluster bombs on women and children, if they are hated Semites or Muslim?

Surely they have a right not to be killed or disfigured, don't they?

Or are their rights lesser to some other special class of women and children?

Is there some goalposts you now want to shift, perhaps?

 

If what you say is true why do you never criticize Muslims? I don't buy it. If it looks like an apologist, waddles like an apologist, quacks like an apologist, it is an apologist.

 

Bogus arguement, since your Zionist Controlled Congress, through the proxy of the US Military ARE the 'hostile'.

Maybe you could use those cluster bombs on yourself, if you want to neuter the most hostile of all?

 

Jack Napier asked you to provide a link to back up the above claim. You responded with:

That's not a link. Now, post a link from a credible source with solid evidence and proof for your claim.

 

As long as it is peaceful, respects human life, freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of choice.......all religions.

Why? Do you think it possible Islam might not qualify? I can attest that it is possible. Embrace the 21st century and leave the 8th century oppression behind.

 

Subjective and not enough detail.

Be specific.

All religionsists, all religions, they will tell you that their religion demands such things. Others will tell you different. Who decides? And how?

 

Yawn...... you would dismiss any link, any source, and any evidence.........

How about addressing the Hamas HQ under the hospital? LOL

Oh......and in your rationalizing reponse......how about some links, sources, and solid evidence?

 

You made a claim. Now, show us the link with evidence to back up your claim.

Again, you made another claim. So, once again, show us the credible link with evidence to back up your claim.

 

Surely you can't be intentionally misrepresenting what I have repeatedly posted a number of times?

Those innocent women and children being oppressed, subjugated, and used as shields against retaliation certainly have the right to be free of such inhumane treatment. The fact that cowardly forces would put them in that situation is a crime against humanity. A war crime.

I realize it is difficult to come to terms with, particularly with your affected concern for victims, but in conflict, warring factions allow civilian refugees egress. The fact that your chosen factions holds innocents under gunpoint within these conflict zones to face return fire does not disturb those same affected sensibilities?

No, no moving goalposts. They are the very same as the OP that you have yet to acknowledge.

 

Is America under any legal obligation not to use cluster munitions?

 

No.

that is one of the reasons why many people are critical of the US. It is not a signatory to many of these international treaties which the wider community agree on.

 

I wonder if the Brits realize the extent to which they and Americans are alienated and estranged from each other?

 

its probably a lot less than you think.

 

You want us to change to be more like you don't you?

 

I see.

So the estimated 100,000 non combatant civilians, most v young, since Iraq has a young population, their deaths were not the result of the American militrary dropping bombs on them, or shooting them in the street?

It was the giant human shield what did it.

Yes, Saddam Hussein got everyone together, made them form the shape of a nice shield, and inside that huge shield, were Al Queda. Or some *******s of some sort. Maybe the Taliban. Or whatever.

Is that about right?

Then, after all of that, you freed them from the slavery of being a human shield, by murdering them.

Got it.

Besides, these 'human shield' stories start to lose any cred when, look who again, the US elites cannot even get the big one's right!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U7A7ixxl4I"]Bin Laden's Wife as 'Human Shield' Lie Collapses - YouTube[/ame]

 

The wider community? Funny that "wider community does not include the super powers?

 

I personally don't care.

I speak for myself, not for 'Brits'.

Other Brits may think different things.

 

The days of Maggie Thatcher, John Major and Tony Blair are long gone. That flame will never be rekindled.

 

Detachment can be a good thing.

For me, you are the sole representative of the British people.

I can't wait until I run into the next tourist from the Sceptred Isle.

 

What 'flame'?

And why would we would want their ilk 'rekindled'?

 

anyone, american, chinese, russian, israeli, libyan . iranian .. whatever ....

who goes into other parts of the world and uses weapons SHOULD abide by the same set of standards.

if the majority of countries say no clusterbombs, then ALL should abide by that.


if you don't want to - you should keep your clusterbombs at home.

 

Is your objective to influence the opinions of Americans or to cry out in the wilderness as a disembodied voice?

 

America has no legal obligation to discontinue the use of cluster munitions. You said so yourself. Since no legal obligation exists that truly ends the matter. If you want to change American policy send a petition to Obama.

 

No........you are confusing topics. Show me the evidence of cluster bombs, or white phosphorous in residential areas......... In fact, give me some credible links to your 100,000 non-combatants attributed to American bombs in general.

The "human sheild" tactic employed by Hamas, Hezbollah, Taliban, and Al Qaeda are hardly a story..........

I know the reality is hard to come to terms with...........

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa5AGJLezMs"]Hezbollah Human Shields[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE"]Heroic Hamas Use Children As Shield[/ame]