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We may well have screwed up, but how stupid do you have to be not to learn from another's experiences? One word-America. That's how stupid America is in continuing to screw up everything it does and screwing everywhere it goes on its foreign policy adventures.

 

The world is in a transitional phase of history. Soon you will have cause to complain about others. Btw, toothless Englishmen have nothing to teach anyone.

 

I don't speak Russian!

 

The Kosovan Albanians, for example, don't agree with me either. However, it doesn't make it less true that Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

 

lol.

We are cleaning up other peoples screwups....all there is to it.

 

The Han originated in the Yellow River Valley. The went through a warring states period, and unified under the first emperor...the book burner. During the Tang Dynasty the Han conquered South China and incorporated them into the Empire.

However, the Han role in Tibet and Xinjiang has been intermittent. There was a vassal relationship during much of the Yuan Dynasty (Mongols) which receded during the Ming Dynasty. The vassal relationship was strengthened during the Qing Dynasty (Manchus), but receded in the latter stages of that dynasty.

Tibet was independent in 1950 when the Han invaded and conquered Tibet. The Tibetan people don't want to be Chinese. Isn't that relevant to you? The native people of Tibet don't want to be forcibly incorporated into the Empire.

China had much the same relationship with Korea as a vassal as it did with Tibet, but Korea is independent. Why shouldn't Tibet be independent?

By way of analogy, Russia conquered the Baltic states during its Romanov period. But the Baltic states became independent after WWI. Then the Soviet Union conquered the Baltic states. Applying your theory Russia is entitled to reacquired the Baltic states because at one point in history the Baltic states were part of Russia.

When you respond don't just deny what I've posted. Instead please walk me through your understanding to the relationship of Tibet and Han China through the various dynasties. Thanks.

 

Yeah, bombs have a way of cleaning things up.

 

Indeed.

 

If the U.S., China, Russia, India, and Pakistan are all on the same page on this issue, then the ban is effectively dead.

Like it or not, money speaks louder than idealism.

 

Only for the elites, and what % do the true elites make up?

They say 1%, but whether it is 1% or 3%, it is due to this undemocratic and anti people system, that there is so much war and economic collapse, in the World today. Which is why this MUST change. And it is. From Lone Wolfs to organised movements, people are realising, and doing what they can to raise more awareness, and show people that we can live in a better world, free from those that have enslaved us, lied to us, and used us.

There is a long way to go, and the elites have the army and police on their side, of course, but I believe the elites are aware of the fact that people are on to them, which is why you are seeing them become more aggressive, more brutal, and more brazen about it, at home, and overseas.

They are getting desperate, basically.

Prepare for them to spend $$$$ of false news stories, and PR as well, to try to trick the masses into not going on with the uprising against their tyranny.

Jack

 

Since when in all of the human recorded history did the masses have a say in the decision being taken?

The elite have and will always be the one leading, they are THE ELITE!

Even when there is a popular uprising against the current elites, like the french revolution or the bolchevik revolution or even the cuban revolution, you just end up after a short period of time with another bunch of ELITE that rules the masses. It's human nature, more so it is the norm in most of the animal world when it comes to societal behavior... Some have to lead and the rest follows. Those who leads get to eat first and eat the most... The rest get the scraps. That is the world we live in.

 

I believe the vote was once worth more in both Britain and America, than it is now.

I do not think that the present system would allow for another JKF to be President again, nor do I believe that there is the same sincerity for doing a good job, and having a true belief in something.

This has not happened by accident, and it saddens me.

More and more they two main parties became funded by, and therefore beholden to, often the same donators.

You may shrug your shoulders and not care about how that eats away at what could be a good democratic system, but I am sure you will find older countrymen on here who will find my words resonate in this matter, and understand what I am saying.

What is the use of supposedly trying to export democracy, when it is self evident that democracy is being damaged in our countries?

Should people not wish to mend that first?

 

Democracy was never about universal suffrage. The greek who invented it didn't give the right to vote to everyone. That was reserve for a select few.

And beside, who do you think decide who is going to run? Name one government that ever got elected that really did all that they promised or that didn't received any outside "help". A few $$$ there, someone killed over there, a few scandals... It always as such and always will... Abandon all hope, go with the flow... It's easier and lest painful in the end...

And since the same thing happens in Israel, then that should be a clue to you or your friend to start understanding that someone else but the jews are controlling the puppets...

 

The past can never be restored. The character of an entire people changes over time in subtle ways or quickly in spectacular fashion in response to a trauma. The Roman Republic yielded to the Roman Empire and then, in part, devolved into the Byzantine Empire. Japan was once one of the most militaristic societies in history. But that changed in a flash like a starburst.

The entirety of Western civilization has changed. It has lost its vigor.

 

there is still Viagra for that...

 

Are you telling me that you surrender to the fact that you no longer live in a true democracy?

 

I would argue that we never did.

America began with an entire race of people as slaves and with only white male landowners able to vote.
After slavery, it was still nearly another century before blacks weren't segregated, while women couldn't vote until 1920.

In some ways, I'd say we're more of a democracy than we used to be, but now, power isn't divided by race or gender so much as it is by class.

There is a way to fix all of this, but it requires something that will probably never happen -- decentralization.

America would basically have to split up into about 5 or 6 countries to shrink down to manageable chunks to govern effectively. We've tried to postpone the burdens of having to govern such a large society under one government through federalism, but even that has practical limits.

 

Yup.......................

 

Okay, well that doesn't seem to be in keeping with the idea of the American spirit that was sold to me, as I was growing up.

Were the Founding Fathers around, I think they would be dissapointed that you meekly surrender to the fact that America has been politically hijacked, and is something anti democratic, as you admit, at least.

You would think that all Americans would wish to fight against it, rather than bend over, no?

 

I've suggested this before, as an outsider looking in, the US has evolved into too much, in terms of it's numbers, and it's diversity of people. That is not to say the best idea would be for everyone to be uniformed, as some on here would like to see, however, I have long felt it absurd to think that 300mill people as diverse as those in the US can be fairly accomodated and represented, by the only two parties that are effectively 'allowed' to win.

The practicalities and cost of this could be difficult and costly.

I would also imagine that there are those who feel that it would weaken the US as a super power, were it to break up into several countries, as you put it? Israel has entirely relied on hanging on the coat tails of the US being a super power, to get away with ignorning international laws, for example. Therefore, I would imagine that the Israeli lobby in the US would be opposed to any break in the status quo. They prefer things just as they are.

 

Yes young comrade,

That which they darenot name is upon them,Global Economic DEPRESSION,and they are awakening ,I am only the messenger, my leaders and Armies of MULTI-BILLIONS of proletariet and other masses.

Are for the first time in Generations stirring ,regenerating getting strange things like emotions .

Proletariet don't get emption they smashed it out as Apprentice,

Ideologically .politically,orgainisationally a Globalised and initiated Former known as world or Inter-Nationl is now Termed "GLOBAL SOCIALIST REVOLUTION" on all frounts ,the rule of Capitialism and the fetish of Money or the electrons that now represent Money ,

The Globally Intergrated Marxist Party ,is still in existance from Leon Trotsky to us!

Trotsky's middle class nature revealed itself once ,in "My Life ,an attempt at an Auto-biography "and in "History of the Russian revolution" he pauses for himself to get a subjective reference.

He wonders "why does the proletariet show such hesistence in the moment when its mass insurrectionary terror would be economic" I don't think that Comrade Lev Bronstein need be worried, with what is to be unleahsed 70years after the greatest political crime of last century.

Bags, leading and directing that RED TERROR !!!!!!!!!!!

Oh the different forms of Terorism ,individual and collective I agree and support Insurrectionary MASS TERROR against the CAPITIALIST RULING CLASS.

Individual Acts of Terror and the political Capitialist Terrorist Variety is Petty Bourgeois Form therefore Capitialist .

I knew the Proletariet of a Global Character was getting Emotional.

Yours fratenally ,

Comrade Commisar Phil XX

 

Or through proletariet Government against stinking corrupt ,disintergrating Nationally based Government forward to the Global Variety of NO National Economy 1 Global Economy or none at all.

For it truely already is the Un-United States of America thats what "Identity Politics "other then Class based politics or the scientific variety" ,gets everyone going" Backwards".

And all we have to do is stop the electricity supply to every stockmarket.

About 50 construction workers in every city should do it ,workers in Sydney did it about 3mths ago,for half a day.(*)(*)(*)(*) scared was the "Financial Marketteers?",

Occupy the actual NSYE I say the guilding itself and the sydney and everywhere else Financial credit Markets .and them alone !