Vatican low on reserves to cover deficit, seeking donations

Really, a man who believes in god does not consider spiritual punishments, if it does not matter to them why did they want to be buried in their robes?

 

Some would say having six abortions is a deviant lifestyle, but hey, who are we to judge?

 

You're arguing that requiring them to be celibate caused them to commit sexual abuse?

 

No, it does not make the Church entirely responsible, but at least you agree there is some responsibility on the church and therefor the church is partially liable for compensation.

 

Maybe partially. But "partially" is still a lot less than the size of these payouts we've seen.

I don't want to say something like "Maybe the church should have given them $15,000" and then have that type of statement used to express approval for the church giving them $250,000.

 

The Catholic Church judges that having an abortion is an excommunicating offense, but not sexually molesting young children, is that not correct?

 

You miss the point. It's not which sin is more serious.

 

I am arguing that it may well be a contributing factor.

 

So if I pay someone money to not have sex for one year, and they end up committing a rape, I may be partly financially liable for that rape?

 

No I am just pointing out that the Catholic Church sets itself up to judge, as a rebuttal of your point, "hey who are we to judge?"

 

What would be your motive for paying someone to have a deviant lifestyle?

 

The standard in such civil liability is joint and several. Meaning both are responsible for the full amount. That makes sense here because the priest is unlikely to have the money.

We also are forced to focus on civil liability more than criminal, because it is hard to put ab organization in jail.

 

You don't think many of these pedophile priests molested more than one child? Or is molesting children not a sin?

 

Who's hoarding wealth? The Pope, bishops, priests, who? And for what reason would they hoard it, they have no families. It's not going for their personal exaltation - which would be sinful, It's going to exalt God.

If people want to glorify God by building and beautifying His temples, then who has a right to tell them differently? As for me, I love beauty, whether it's music, art, architecture and literature - and especially if it's in and for the Church.

Here's Russia's new Cathedral for its armed forces. It's the Church of Christ's Resurrection, and it commemorates the men who died over the centuries to protect Russia. How can you or anyone deny God this masterpiece?

 

You agree that the church is very rich, yes?

The church spends on many things, though monuments to God is certainly one of them.

People need to ask themselves whether their donations would be better spent on helping others. Jesus said a lot about helping others and only once said something that probably implied that monuments are ok.

You can't deny buildings to God. He can make them Himself with no effort.

 

People in Chicago just spent $600,000 of taxpayer money to build a street corner monument to George Floyd.

 

Of course molesting children is a sin, but the soul off the sinner is important to God as well.

Churches do not have trust funds, they're dependent on God for their sustenance and live on a day to day basis.

If you're thinking of the Cathedral in the video, it was built by a devout Russian billionaire who prefers to remain anonymous. The art work was probably also donated.

But if you don't give to glorify God, then how can He bless you? Then again, God only blesses those who remain anonymous. If they didn't remain anonymous, they would be doing it for their own glory and not for God.

 

I think that they should auction off a fraction of all that antiquities they hold and sell off some of that real estate and leave the poor fools that still support them alone. For the life of me, I still can't fathom how you give money to an organization that aided and abetted pedophiles and such.

 

Did Floyd have a history of aiding and abetting pedophiles for decades?
Nope, he did his crime and served his time....the cretins of the Roman Catholic Church can't say the same.
Would I donate to a Floyd monument? No, but I'd sure as hell would have donated to legal funds for the family if they had needed it.

 

They claim to be persecuted. My family of origin is 5 generations (probably more) deep in Catholicism. The stuff they lie to themselves about is just astonishing. Sick and twisted. There is a poster on this forum that believes the victims of childhood sexual abuse by priests deserve no compensation. Unconsciousable.


Catholic priest says clergy living in a “state of persecution” after child abuse scandals

'Inside the Vatican,' a new BBC documentary, takes a look at the Catholic church in the wake of widespread sexual abuse scandals.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/catholic-priest-persecution

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Pope wraps up synod on youth claiming persecution over abuse

Pope Francis wrapped up a monthlong meeting of bishops dedicated to young people by saying Saturday the Catholic Church was being “persecuted” and “dirtied” by accusations from the devil — an apparent reference to claims that he covered up for a sexual predator that have thrown his papacy into turmoil.

The Argentine pope made the comments to about 250 bishops, 30 young people and a handful of nuns who had just approved a 60-page final document at the close of a synod on how the church can better minister to today’s youth.

https://apnews.com/article/c80677f45902479a8cfe96f470207e97

 

George Floyd who was on parole for hitting his children, ended up with a monument - paid by the tax payers no doubt. Well at least his kids are happy. They got rid of him, and got a monetary settlement as well.

All the insanity that's going on doesn't seem to bode well for my country.

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of Marxism and insanity.
Meant to provoke and to revoke
the foundation of Christianity - Jeannette

 

It depends. You're going to have to be a whole lot more specific on how exactly the Catholic Church is the party primarily responsible, in specific cases, something you've so far declined to do.
Not firing a priest simply because there were suspicions does not make them financially responsible.

You just view the Catholic Church as a big organization with lots of money, and think they should be the ones to pay out the money. That they make a convenient piggybank, and you're looking for any excuse to make them pay, and to try to "right" social/institutional wrongs by throwing out huge amounts of money.

 

Oh, and exactly what would that be?

 

Get your facts straight: Background Check: Investigating George Floyd’s Criminal Record | Snopes.com

Seems you're okay with a guy charged only with passing counterfeit bills (of which he was innocent) and being under the influence of an illegal substance being killed by a knee on his neck for 8 minutes. Pathetic.