Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

I was quite suspicious with the images shown of massive crowds, knowing how they were faked during our election to give the illusion Clinton had large crowds when she didn't, while Trump's large crowds were being angled in such a way that the photos gave the illusion of a much smaller crowd.

Well it turns out I wasn't the only one that noticed only a few hundred around Guaido when he announced himself as president. Moon of Alabama did too. The next image shown were massive crowds at a different location, so who knows when and where that photo was taken.

Anyway according to Venezuelan law Guaido is committing treason, so let's see what happens. The army is definitely backing the legitimate president.

 

And when hasn't the US violated international law?

I had a sense that this coup in Venezuela goes beyond just Rubio and Pence. Well I noticed a comment on Moon of Alabama and it said Venezuela will be taking over the OPCE this year. Maduro planned on using his position to counter US led financial sanctions so Venezuela could have access to credit. But then there was this, and it rung a bell:

"Venezuela is due to promote in its new position as OPEC president is to push for oil payments in non-dollar currencies or in cryptocurrencies, such as Venezuela’s oil and mineral-backed Petro. As part of efforts to break dollar hegemony of the oil market, Venezuela now prices its oil in Chinese Yuan."​

Ghadaffy was murdered for wanting to go off the petro dollar and put Africa on the gold standard. Hussein was probably murdered for the same reason. Also when the president of Total Oil met Putin and told him that he's planning on going off the petro dollar, his plane suffered a freak accident on the runway. Coincidence, I think not.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14213

 

Where do you live?

 

No problem mate. At least there's some chance of a violent overthrow of Maduro.

 

As Marco Rubio said, a re-establishment of democracy in Venezuela is our goal. Does that mean boots on the ground? No. But we are not powerless? We can encourage the opposition.

 

The US plan to fund the National Assembly will help. It really all comes down to what the armed forces decide to do. If they flip it's over instantly for Maduro.

 

The Canadians (and a dozen other countries in the Western Hemisphere) are with the U.S. on this one.

 

What democracy, Maduro was elected with an almost 70% majority? I mentioned that one reason Washington wants Maduro out has to do with the petro dollar, but here's another reason from Greekpronews - a non MSM news source..

Maduro is abhorrent to the United States for many reasons, most notably he is friendly with Russia to an extent that he has agreed to create a Russian military base in Venezuela.

The Kremlin plans to set up an advanced business airbase on Venezuela's La Orhilla Island in the Caribbean Sea and to supply Tu-160 Blackjack nuclear bombers.

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The election was a sham. Many in the opposition boycotted after Maduro shut down the independent media. His party has taken Venezuela from the wealthiest country in Latin America to near-Haiti levels.

People are fleeing to neighboring countries by the thousands. It's a cluster. Venezuela did better under democracy and capitalism.

 

Of course the failing economy has nothing to do with a coordinated attack on the economy by et al.


Meanwhile, the legitimate gov't of Venezuela should retaliate by recognizing
Hillary as the democratically elected President and send her some aid money.
And seek aid from China or Russia, possibly hosting their military bases.



Moi

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She just craves a Jewish boyfriend.

 

Economic growth was booming during the 1920’s just before the crash

 

^ Thread win.

 

^ thread loss.

 

The only way Venezuela will ever be a normal country is for them to take care of their own problems.
Interfering in their issues will just blow up another problem/civil war years later because then you will have another opposition.

 

The revenue's from the oil sales are Venezuela's. Isn't that glaringly obvious?

Now the US is going to keep the money they owe Venezuela from these oil sales anyway - call them sanctions if you like. But I recognise de facto robbery when I see it.

Besides that the plan is to destabilise Maduro and put the US place-man Guaido in power (HERE) and then get control of that oil (HERE). And in so doing the new pro-US executive of Citgo will be able to simply refuse to repay the $1.5 billion loan from Russia's Rosneft calling this necessary under US sanctions (making it a double whammy)

Another re-run of the putrid Hollywood fiction of how America the pure wears a white hat and rides to the rescue. And people gobble it up.

That this will benefit a small, powerful group of Americans (if it is successful) while the US tax-payer picks up the bill for it all (more robbery), seems never to occur to most Americans - who are blinded by their ingrained myopia and - for reasons I will never understand - continue to place trust in their media and their political class to do the "right" thing.

 

on this basis, maybe the wider world should now recognise Bernie Sanders as the president of the USA?

 

More another side than your fake news. You however would not even look to see whether an expert who has first hand knowledge of the situation could fill you in somewhat or even whether you could argue against what he said. To you the fact that he was an expert was sufficient for you to dismiss him. Post truthers do not believe there are any facts or experts. I am guessing you are a post truth person and will be aware of that when I notice your other posts.

 

He's an EX UN employee, so he doesn't have any access to present UN data or authorities. His words and opinions carry no more worth then the next guy.
But, hey, coming from someone who defend a despot like Maduro I understand why your conditionning makes you give creedance to any bloke that comes to his defense.

 

Right to get back on topic

OK the Conspiracy keeps growing. There was a very ineffective attempt at a military coup on the 21st.

https://theconversation.com/venezue...-nation-into-turmoil-3-essential-reads-110419

It appears this was quickly stopped. It makes sense to believe that the opposition member declaring himself temporary president was part of a Previous Planned Coup and for some reason he decided or the US told him to get on with the next part regardless of the fact that the military part had failed - due to most Venezuela military having loyalty to their country.

Now having told them to stay the US is pulling its staff out and suggesting US citizens leave

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/24/venezuela-maduro-guaido-defense-minister-civil-war

 

The military has a very tough decision to make having to pick sides. If you pick the losing side, you'll probably be shot for treason at a later point.

 

That’s how civil wars start - part of military revolts, another part stays loyal and they start to fight each other. Civilians join and it turns into a clusterf@ck till one side wins.
It seems to me that instead of a coup we are going to have a civil war.

 

Didn't happen though. It was only a tiny part of the Venezuela Military who took the money, they are reported as having said this, and tried. Appears they have all been arrested. Military Coup, resounding fail.

 

Well, there you are defending the US regime change despots-in-charge-of-the-world, so throwing stones at Alexa does nothing but show us that your use of school-yard tactics reflects an inherent childishness in debate.

4/10. Try harder next time.

 

Things are just beginning to warm up. The unrest was brewing for years now. I think we are getting close to the climax. That’s when Military is going to have to chose.
Look at Syria - part of the military revolted, another part stayed loyal. We will see the same in Venezuela. Except this time, russia can’t really help - no logistics, russia can’t reach that far.