VIPS to Trump: Intel on Iran Could be CATASTROPHIC

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and the soldiers are trained to see the enemy less of a human than themselves, thus the killing is easier. Already here at home the Muslims are thought of as primitive, brutal and backwards.
    Here I found a lovely website, written by a former marine and veteran from the Afghan war.

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    In my experience, it’s the Marines and other troops who have seen the most combat whose eyes have opened up to the fact that we’re not fighting faceless monsters, but living, breathing people. (I think Marines are somewhat like the German Waffen-SS)

    Tom, with whom I served briefly, is one of those enlightened Marines. After serving almost a dozen combat deployments, including a stint as a machine gunner in the Second Battle of Fallujah, he sees not hajis, but people. He once encountered a civilian man harassing a Muslim woman and her child at a coffee shop in Virginia. The man told the woman that “her people love killing our people.” Tom intervened.


    “He called me a bleeding heart, and I bought her coffee,” Tom said. “If I can do that, you can let her pass without giving her ****. She could have been Persian-Iranian with no dog in the fight and here she was being associated with Islamic terrorists. The only Americans who really know what the **** is up is people who have been there.”


    He says, ... "For American service members, this dehumanization of the enemy has only become more intense over the decades and it has become easier to kill enemies. A lot easier."

    Read more here:
    https://taskandpurpose.com/new-season-netflixs-sci-fi-series-black-mirror-saw-marine/
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    The CIA, the Israelis, and the Saudis all trying to manipulate Trump into a war with Iran using phony intelligence. Hopefully, Mattis, the last remaining voice of sanity in Trump's administration, can persuade Trump to stay out of yet another foreign quagmire.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    He spread lies that resulted in the destruction of entire country and cost Americans trillions of dollars. "Just following orders" is literally the Nazi defense at Nuremberg.
     
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    I don't think President Trump is anxious to start a war with Iran.
     
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    Our country didn't take a side, the corrupt US government did. And that goes against the founding principles of America. We're not supposed to be taking sides in foreign affairs but remaining neutral.
     
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    Hold Cheney, Bush and these guys responsible, not Powell. Remember what they did to Scott Ritter?

    We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

    Sincerely,

    Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

    Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

    Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

    William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

    Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

    Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

    Archived from: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    I think he's forcing the issue..
     
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    You are mistaken.. Bolton, Kushner and Trump want a war with Iran.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Anytime a neocon tries to justify an unnecessary war, they try to turn it into a debate about Nazi Germany.
     
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    If being against another unnecessary, disastrous war in the Middle East means I have a "Chamberlain mentality", then I gladly accept the label.
     
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    Nope.

    It's the CIA, the military-industrial complex, the neocons, the Israelis, and the Saudis trying to get America to fight another disastrous war in the Middle East.
     
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    In other words, another disastrous war, fought on behalf of special interest groups, that's based on dubious intelligence.
     
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    Most of you in the GOP are responsible for getting Americans killed and maimed in wars for Israel while wasting trillions of tax dollars.

    The wars you promote have nothing to do with the common defense of America. It's all lies and propaganda.
     
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    It's time to openly assist the Iranian resistance.
     
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    Didn't you know questioning US intelligence agencies makes you a traitor?
     
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    Then I guess I'm a Chamberlain and a traitor. As long as it prevents another disastrous US war in a foreign quagmire, then I don't care what it's called.
     
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    Go right ahead.

    Open up your wallet and let the assistance begin.

    Oh, wait... you meant assisting them with MY money.

    In that case, I say it's time to put AMERICA FIRST and keep that money where it belongs, IN AMERICA.
     
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    Suit up and head for Iran.. Sometimes people are just too thick to learn from the past.
     
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    Yep, someone has to fund sanctuary cities.
     
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    There is a difference between rhetoric, pressure, economic sanctions, .... and war. I do not think Trump is interested in going to war with Iran.
     
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    Yes, of course they're 'people', but that's where the similarity ends, because they're different from us 'upstairs'? Very different, and ne'er the twain shall meet. We will never understand them, nor they us.
     
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    I really like that phrase - it succinctly sums up beyond any doubt whatever the political classes in the US and the UK.
     
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    He's putting Israel in a bad position and has abandoned the Palestinians... forcing them into the arms of Iran. He's killed both a one state and two state solution.
     
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    Aha, are you supposed to have kids shooting other kids with automatic weapons according to those principles ?
     
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    Aah...give it some time.
     

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