Virginia Ultrasound Bill Passes In House

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Well, we have had a real education into the secret rancid minds of rabid pro-lifers who love to twist words to suit their agendas. Only to a demented mind would a person attempt to turn a pro-choice person into a pro-abortion person and try to castigate them for what they themselves have presumed. That is some woman- hating training they get at their "meetings" with severe brainwashing techniques. Normal people trying to talk with these super irrational prolife people, is like activating a time bomb...they eventually go BOOM!!...

A pro-choice person is one that wants every woman to have free access to family planning services that will enable her to CHOOSE when she wants a child. She also wants any female to have access to safe abortion services if that is what she and her doctor have decided is best for her at her stage in life. The reasons for both family planning and abortion are private, legal, and a a human right for women's special needs in planning her own life expectations.

The Virginia bill that was being passed was for an invasive ultrasound. At the last moment the Governor changed it to a mandatory non-invasive ultrasound, the same as in Planned Parenthood to ascertain that it is not an ectopic pregnancy. It is an outer abdominal ultrasound.

 

Why is seeing an unborn fetus as equal in rights as the mother "misogynist"?

Wanting to protect unborn babies from being aborted is not hateful towards women.

 

So you are anti-abortion? What you got against abortion?

 

PP and the three clinics I cite require an ultrasound, if it is in the first 12 weeks what kind do they use. Your side has claimed trans-vaginal. So what is the premise of your statement that it is voluntary?

 

Yes the question is why not, what do you PERSONALLY have against abortion, why do you PERSONALLY oppose it?

 

I was quite clear and concise in what I said

Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
The government does it all the time with laws and regulations doctors and hospitals must follow.

The argument that government should not "come between a woman and her doctor" is a strawman.

 

Again dodging the question and what you stated. You said YOU were personally against abortion, not that you simply didn't have one because you wanted the children you created. You said you are against the procedure itself.

So you would never have an abortion. Why? What do you have against it?

Or do you wish to revise your previously stated position?

 

You don't see them as equal rights - you place the rights of a non-viable fetus above those of a woman who CAN survive on her own and has a fully working brain capable of making decisions for herself.

Yes, it is. When you treat the woman as some kind of stupid brood mare who doesn't have enough intelligence to know if she wants or is capable of having a baby to raise and take care of at any given time, and believe that she should have absolutely NO SAY in a matter exclusive to her and her body and her life, but should have to be subject to whatever a pro-lifer decides FOR HER is definitely and without a doubt hateful towards women.

 

So human beings who cannot survive on their own and their brains aren't fully capable are open targets to be killed?

Noted how you can't discuss the matter on the substance but have to demagog. OK you just want to kill babies, two can play this game you know.

 

If all you lefty's aren't against it why are you fighting it? You don't like the mandate? Are you OK with Ubama's mandate? Because Ubamacare has nothing to do with healthcare either.

 

No but you want abortion legal so they can kill or you for that matter should you need to do so. Safe and legal…how safe and kind is it for the one being killed? Do you care at all for the unborn? No, you do not. You say women are intelligent…well how did these women get into the situation by becoming pregnant. Wouldn't you say most these women being intelligent knew the choices and the risks that were involved when they had sex? Killing is a rational solution for you……that says it all doesn't it?

We are not talking about inferior people…we are talking about adults who have made the choice to have sex and who have taken the risk of getting pregnant. This entire issue should not only be about the woman but the OTHER LIFE SHE IS CARRYING. You only see the woman…you do not take into account that someone is going to die. She should know what she is doing…and have all the facts…and all the facts should include fetal development and to see the life inside her. She is not carrying a rock…it is alive and growing and scientifically is HUMAN BEING.

You have the gall to point fingers at the people who value life? Who do you think you are? Some compassionate human that cares for all life? No you think humans, tiny ones are not important enough to save. That says more about YOUR MORALS…than any pro-lifer. Sanctity of life…that phrase is nothing that you would know about…that is for sure. How dare you even say it being a pro-abort…because the only life you value is your own.

And you are so ignorant about this is laughable. For your information skippy….I am against the death penalty and against unjust wars. Tell me this…since your so against violence…WELL EXCEPT THE VIOLENT ACT THAT HAPPENS TO THE UNBORN DURING AN ABORTION…..LOL THAT YOU CELEBRATE AS A WONDERFUL RIGHT AND PASSAGE THAT WOMEN DO….
Are you against the police? Are you for no military that protects our country? What would you do without either one of these?

Your position makes me want to vomit…it is so full of errors…it is inhuman…it is a cold hearted position to stand on.

Get this straight because I know…..the people I work with are NOT…get this again….NOT FOR ANY VIOLENCE AGAINST ABORTIONISTS AND FOR BOMBING CLINICS. If someone does that they go against everything we stand for. But you pro-aborts…..you wave your finger cause its all ya got. You ASSUME…..ASSUME…that we are pro-killing people…….AND ITS YOUR GROUP THAT ARE PRO-KILLING PEOPLE.

You are unbelievable.

Overstepped…..well honey to anyone who champions abortion like you and your ilk does……you would be against anything that would protect the human life in the womb. So anything is bad in your eyes….because you just clap and cheer every time an abortion goes on….it says to you that its being done safe and of course its getting rid of kids…who you say should not have the chance at life.

And whose position is evil? Honey if you can't see that…then wow…can't imagine what else in your life you condone….

 

So do you think that a full term baby who is just born should also be killed because it is not nor will be for years take care of itself? Do you have children…I shudder for this answer…..sigh

If you had children you would know that you do EVERYTHING FOR YOUR YOUNG CHILDREN. They would die without your intervention. So should they be on your hit list if the mother wants to kill them?

Listen….if the woman was that smart…she would not have had sex to get pregnant to begin with…that or she would have made sure that pregnancy could NOT HAPPEN. And there is birth control that does just that. Women know what happened when they have sex…especially unprotected sex.

And if you are prochoice…then no excuse or reason she would have should matter…..because abortion is ok in your eyes right? I mean its moral isn't it?

IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ABORTION?

 

Bluesguy…she said she personally would not have one…but then would want it legal if she needed it. And safety is an issue. So essentially she looks the other way,
abortion is bad but we need it in case we need to kill…in case others, maybe me who knows, wants to kill.
….sorta like if my neighbor wants to abuse his kids…its ok, they belong to him and they probably needed discipline.

 

Well, she did exactly the same thing as the man she had sex with. Of course the man can't get pregnant and if she does, he excuses himself by saying "she shouldn't have been so irresponsible". Are you saying men don't or aren't expected to know the choices and risks involved when they have sex? Are all men as dumb as you suggest women are?

It IS only about the woman and the fact she has a fertilized egg inside her and therefore it should be totally up to her what she does about it.

Well, honey, skippy, sweet cheeks, hot stuff - let me ask you a question. At these meetings where they tell you how evil women are and show you gross pictures of bloody fetuses to get you all riled up - do they ever show you pictures of the mothers or tell you why any particular fetus was aborted? Do they ever show you pictures of the severely deformed fetuses that were aborted? The answer is no, isn't it, because that wouldn't serve their purpose. They just show you pictures of bloody fetuses and tell you it was aborted for no other reason than "birth control" or "convenience" by an evil woman babykiller who stopped by a clinic and had it done on her lunch hour?

 

What do you mean "do I have children"? Aren't you bothering to read my posts before you tell me what an evil person I am? Since you didn't bother, I'll tell you again: I have 4 daughters and 10 grandchildren. LOL! I'm sorry to disappoint you because I know as a Liberal I was supposed to encourage my daughters to get pregnant just for the thrill of killing them - at least that's what I'm told all the time by ignorant people.

And I absolutely LOVE how you throw all the blame and responsibility on the pregnant woman. I guess even if she was raped, she should have known to keep that aspirin between her knees or take the consequences? A man is allowed to be as irresponsible as he pleases when having sex but the woman isn't? Why am I not surprised that you feel that way?

No - there's nothing wrong with abortion when it's the best choice for a whole host of reasons. We experienced the possibility of one being necessary in my own family. My daughter's life was put at risk and she spent the last months of her pregnancy in bed in horrible pain. The doctor said he would try to get her to 7 months when the baby would have a chance to survive but if it had come to a choice between the baby and my daughter, there would have been absolutely no contest. She had 2 others who needed their mother. By sheer dint of will, she made it to 8 months and the doctor delivered the baby because she was too much at risk at that point. So don't tell me about "Liberal women babykillers" - you've had too much hateful propaganda forced into your brain by hateful people.

 

Not all fathers would say that. But it does not matter does it Anna? The father is nothing….disgarded unless the government forced him against his will to pay her for what the law said was hers to begin with. Men I am sure should know….but ANNA….the pro-choice side says that abortion should be legal because….NOW GET THIS…..because it is HER BODY…HER BODY. She has the rights…and therefore should foot the responsibility for everything. This is not my personal opinion on it…but it should be yours.

BUT THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ALL ABOUT. You want abortion to be totally the woman's choice. Why? ITS HER BODY YOU SAY. So if its her body…and she consents to the sex act….then why should the man be responsible for anything. And if you think he should…..then abortion should not be her decision alone.

Come on make up your mind.

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They do not tell us that we are evil. Abortion the act is evil. Many of the women there have been scared by abortion. So again you presume…presume…to know but you don't. Tell me at pro-abort meetings do you stand up clap and cheer at the death of every fetus in the womb?

The gross pictures are fact…they are faces of what happened. We look at them as the truth….YOU HIDE YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND CAUSE YOU CANT TAKE THE PICTURES…THEY OFFEND YOU. LOL Your pro-abortion…think its ok for all the most obvious reasons..and then you oppose what abortion looks like. LOL

And honey….most abortions are done not because of the woman's health…not because of deformities or things wrong with the unborn…and not because of rape and incest. They are done on normal women….WHO JUST DO NOT WANT TO BE PREGNANT. You can kill today for any reason…that is one think they don't ask you at PP clinics…they DONT CARE.

 

Well, let me see if I have this straight. The father is nothing - even though without his participation the woman wouldn't be pregnant in the first place - and he has nothing to do with the woman's sheer irresponsibility in becoming pregnant and should only fulfill his responsibilities if the government FORCES him to?

If a woman's body isn't her body - WHOSE IS IT? What is the logic behind your belief that if a woman becomes pregnant either through consensual sex, failed birth control, rape, incest - her body is no longer HER body? You believe it then belongs to the state to do with as they please? And if for ANY reason she doesn't want to be pregnant, she has no right to make that decision for herself? But the state does?

Do you realize you are supporting EXACTLY the same thing China does? They claim the right to tell a woman she can only have 1 child and all other pregnancies MUST be aborted and she's subject to legal penalties if she has more than one. She has no right to make the decision for herself that she wants more than 1 child. If you support state ownership of women's bodies, you support one as well as the other. I take it you would support government ownership of your body in that case since you believe women are too stupid to make their own reproductive choices and the state should make it for them?

There are many men who take their responsibilities for fathering a child very seriously. They're willing to be a part of the child's life and help support it. And there are many men who won't. And when they won't, the ultimate responsibility rests on the woman to shoulder raising a child completely on her own. When pregnancy occurs outside of marriage - to a teenager, or a college student, or a single mother - SHE has the right to decide if that's a responsibility she can and is willing to take on considering the impact it will have on the rest of her life.

And the women who consent to the act are therefore evil. Right?

I have never in my life heard of a "pro-abort meeting". That is really screwed up - to believe that women who believe abortion should be legal and safe would have meetings to celebrate abortion and plan demonstrations to encourage women to abort their children. You realize that's sick, don't you? Just as sick as going to meetings to look at pictures of aborted babies and plan demonstrations in front of clinics to torment and abuse the women going in?

It offends me because I don't get all excited and sanctimonious and judgmental when I look at them. And because you don't know the stories behind those pictures - you just ASSUME that it was one of those "drop by the clinic on her lunch hour because she got up that morning and changed her mind" things.

You know, it's absolutely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS why ANY female elects to have an abortion. You go to your pro-life meetings and look at gross pictures and get everybody whipped up into a frenzy and heap guilt on women who for their own reasons had an abortion at some time. And then you go and stand in front of clinics and wave those pictures around to torment women who've made the decision FOR WHATEVER REASON that you don't know about and DON'T CARE ABOUT. You and your fellow pro-lifers are the cause of much of the guilt and remorse that women feel following an abortion because you tell them they "murdered their baby and are going straight to Hell".

I have no idea what they ask or tell you at a PP clinic because I've never been to one. I bet you have, though, on one of those "investigative visits" pro-lifers make to try to find them doing something wrong. One of our posters actually admitted doing that.

 

Stepping aside from the Abortion Vs Pro-Life.

This bill is totally unconstitutional, and lets call it exactly how it is. THIS IS A PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN, birthed from religous morality. We are punishing the women for getting pregnant out of wedlock, and we are punishing her for a choice that is covered by law. The transvaginal ultrasound was there for obvious "punishment" in an effort to deter choices. Thank god it was removed but this is still so sick to me I can't really describe it. Act of oppression, pure and simple. This is one reason why we must accept a general view of morality void of religous implications.

Right wingers fear government takeover, WTF is this lol?

 

AnnaK SAID,

YES HE IS NOTHING SO SAYS OUR GOVERNMENT. He gets no say whether his child lives or dies. And if she decides to have the child…what say does he have then Anna? The government then says…YOU MUST PAY. So essentially the man has no rights whatsoever….because abortion is all about the rights of the woman and HER BODY. So if its her body…then its her risk,,,her responsibility. I would think every man in America would storm Washington over this.

Abortion is not only about the woman…it is also about the child she carries. The life she took the risk by starting….is separate from her it is not a part of her.

Birth control can fail…we all know that. Unless a woman gets sterilized…she can get pregnant. So women who go ahead and have sex…are taking that RISK. Its like buying a tire for your car…..it could go flat at any second. No tire will last forever. It might be put on wrong…might run over a nail…hit an object in the road….they are not fool proof…and neither is birth control. Women want sex…and they take the risk…the man does not…because it is not his body remember. He is a non issue. I am not going to talk about the less than 1% of all cases of abortion…which is rape…maternal health, incest….I am talking about the 99% of cases of abortion ON DEMAND. And many incest cases are consensual. So its even less than 1%. Our countries is made up of laws. It at one time told women…..no abortion it is immoral. We have laws that tell us what we can and can't do with our bodies. So why should this law be any different especially when it deals not with one person but with TWO. When an abortion is schedules…and the day two people walk through the clinic doors…not one. One person leaves after its over. This is premeditated….killing of a human being.





As far as china…...

I am not supporting that at all. You are way off the mark. Women should be allowed to have as many as they choose. However they should not be able to kill one once it has been conceived. I am not pro-abortion you are. The only thing the government should do is to make law that protects the new life started. I support responsibility…and standing up for what is right. Womens bodies just so happen to have the capability to carry separate lives. It is the way we are made.

But what you say about government owning our bodies…is true. We must seatbelt our bodies in if we are operating a car. We can't sell our body for sex. We can't even sell our own body parts for money. We can't take drugs…can't do a lot of things. We are a nation of laws that dictate what and how we can do things.

And most women who get pregnant are carless. Most the time there is human error. You don't want to make the woman responsible for her own body. She is the one who consented…to have it….she is the one who takes the risk. And when you take a risk…the results are yours. If a condom is put on right it should do the job…if birth control pills are taken regularly and the woman does not forget they should work…as should an IUD. But there is always human error. There are usually risks to anything we do…even the drugs we buy over the counter and by prescription. Why do you think they put the warning labels on them? I won't take estrogen because it increased my chance of breast cancer…it is my choice. Should I decide to take it…then it is not the fault of the pill…i read all about the chances and risks…I DECIDED NOT TO TAKE IT. I might get breast cancer..yes…but I am not going to help increase my odds.

WEll of course there are men who take it seriously. Especially if they don't want a child and she decides to have it. Then he must be forced to pay child support. But where is their choice…in the matter? They have none. She gets to call the shots all because ITS HER BODY…so they should be more concerned….especially if THEY WANT A CHILD AND SHE DOES NOT. Because should that happen….they are screwed…his child is killed….and he can't do anything about it.
It its the woman's body….she should tote the load no matter what circumstance. He should not be forced to give her one dime…should she decide to have it. This should be your position…if you were fair.

Of course that is not what I think should happen…but the law is wishy washy about this….and the law is certainly not fair to men…to the fathers of these babies being killed.

You are bizarre…I am not talking about whether a women is evil or not. I believe that abortion is evil…and that women should not be allowed to do it. I believe most the women who got pregnant are not careful. So if you want to call women careless then…that would fit. You can't blame birth control for every abortion that happens. Because if birth control is taken right…it works.


I never said they had meetings. But there are marches that celebrate the woman's right to kill. PP has marches…Koman has marches…they fund planned parenthood….it is all connected. PP encourages women…to abort. They rarely even give adoption referrals. Abortion might be only 3% of all services they provide…but it is the one that keeps the doors open and pays the bills. If abortion was made illegal…PP would have to shut down…or the government would have to totally take it over. Every year in January abortion is celebrated. That is the anniversary of Roe.

http://www.womensenews.org/story/health/040425/pro-choice-march-largest-history


Yes it is sad that these pictures exist isn't it? Sad…you tell me why? Is there something so wrong with abortion that you can't stomach looking at the result…in a picture? I have no problem looking at them….why if you say abortion is ok..a celebrated right for women…why do you have a problem looking at them?



So you are not emotional about this issue...

Well of course you don't your pro-abortion. YOU WANT ABORTION LEGAL. You just want to hush hush…look the other way. You don't want anything to remind of you of your position. Hey I don't blame you because morally your position does not make sense, it is morally baffling. The story behind the picture does not matter. What matters what is reality is the picture itself. The reason the unborn looks this way …well it is because it was butchered alive…pulled out in pieces. Would this be any else wrong if they got the baby out in one piece…then would you look? Then would you feel worse or better?

Abortion is not a beautiful thing…to go through or to look at. And the ones who are PRO-ABORTION……can't stand to do the looking that is what I find ironic about all this.

It is by business if I think something is wrong. People stand up for all sorts of causes. Are you saying that I have no right to do this? And the guilt of all this is on the woman…whether she has the child or not. Remember it is her body her decision. I go to my meetings…and we do not sit around looking at pictures…we listen to lectures about many issues…not only abortion but stem cell, euthanasia…other life issues. But you wouldn't get that. You can't stand anyone who values life…and underneath I think you get all this…but just don't care. You embrace abortion as something good.


You say you have no idea what they say at PP clinics……Are far as investigation work… what is wrong with that? If they don't have anything to hide then it should not matter.

But no in 1975 I walked into a PP clinic…and killed my own child. I know exactly what they say and do. And it is not much different now as when I first went. There is so much more information about fetal development today and they need to go into depth telling women about this. But they don't.

I know exactly what this is all about from just about every angle there is…..

 

This is showing women something scientific…that they are CARRYING A LIVING HUMAN BEING. When I had my hip replacement I told the doctor…I don't want to see or hear anything…and he said then find someone else to do the surgery. He said he had to show me what was being put inside me…tell me of the risks…and everything involved. I had to have MRI's and a serious of tests to determine my condition. I got a colonoscopy…and the doctor took pictures that he by law had to give me. So don't make this something it is not. REligion is not even involved in this…or honey…abortion would be illegal.

What is sick is the fact that you are not sickened by abortion…that yet another pro-abort…walks around championing the killing of living children.

 

It might be real easy that you just up and walk away from the life in the womb…(the germans did the same thing when they marched the Jews into the ovens) but I am not going too. If that makes you sick then….go to your doctor and get a good anti-nausea pill.

 

AnnaK said,

Could you post where I called you evil? Put up or shut up.

Maybe you did encourage them…how would we know…your word?

You are the ignorant one not me….you are the one championing abortion…you want no protection…none….nada for the unborn.


"And I absolutely LOVE how you throw all the blame and responsibility on the pregnant woman. I guess even if she was raped, she should have known to keep that aspirin between her knees or take the consequences? A man is allowed to be as irresponsible as he pleases when having sex but the woman isn't? Why am I not surprised that you feel that way?"

ITS HER BODY HONEY…….YOU STAND ON HER RIGHT HER RIGHT HER RIGHT…BECAUSE ITS HER BODY. HOW SHOULD THE FATHER BE INVOLVED? He gets no say….because people like you….YES YOU….take that away from him.

You want your cake and eat it too. If like you say the man should take responsibility….then he should get a say whether his child is killed or not. IT IS HER BODY.

OF COURSE NO….your a pro-abort. Any reason is good enough for you. I am NOT TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT THE LESS THAN 1% OF ALL CASES. 99% are done on women….who just want to get rid of it.

Your position is moral less..it is cold….callous….inhumane…if the shoe fits…and it does….

WEAR IT PROUDLY.

 

So you believe that in the case of telling women they MUST have children, government is within their rights, but a government that tells women they MUST NOT have children is not? Do you realize how easy it would be for the same Republican legislatures who are now busily embroiled in forcing women to have children whether they want them or not to reverse course and FORBID women to have babies and if they get pregnant, FORCE abortion on them? Once you give zealots power OF ANY KIND over your body, they can do with it as they please.

Of course you are. If the act is evil, so is the person who commits it.

They're celebrating the right of finally having self-determination over their own lives and bodies - something they fought for over hundreds of years. The right to control your own body and make your own reproductive and life choices is what separates humans from animals. Men have ALWAYS had that right. There is no way that I can see that women are going to sit meekly by and let that right be taken away from them now that they have it.

Certainly you have that right - as do those of us who support the right to make our own life choices.

I don't understand what you mean by "the guilt of all this is on the woman whether she has the child or not". Even in pro-lifer world, what is a woman guilty of if she has a baby and not an abortion? Just the fact that she exists? The old "Eve and the apple" theory that women are inherently evil and "guilty"? The belief that the pain of childbirth is woman's punishment for being to blame for the sins of the world?

Well, you were lucky. Whatever desperate - or cold and callous - reason drove you to seek an abortion, Roe v. Wade made it possible for you to go to PP and have it safely and legally rather than to a backstreet butcher who could have killed or maimed you as would have been the case a couple of years earlier. I'm just surprised that having gone through it yourself, it hasn't made you more compassionate or understanding of women today who find themselves in a similar situation and would take away their right to make their own decision as you did. I frankly can't imagine EVER forgetting whatever drove me to make such a decision to the point that I would be able to call other women "evil" and "irresponsible" and disdain the very human reasons they have for considering abortion.

 

That would be my thought, too.

 

First of all Anna what in what post did I call you evil?

I believe that the government has the right to tell people they can't kill or hire someone to kill children/unborn children yes. They have no right to tell them they can't have children…the more the better….ONLY THAT THEY CAN'T KILL THEM ONCE THEY ARE CONCEIVED.

We are talking about killing Anna…do you not get this? What you fail to grasp is this…..we are not talking about someone who has faulted on a contract…someone who has declared bankruptcy….we are talking about the act of killing. Abortion was made legal…on the premise that it is the woman's body. Its not the mans he gets no say. So make the case that some man should have to pay even if she wants the baby…that HE MIGHT NOT HAVE WANTED. It is her body the conception happened in not his. If course I am playing devils advocate here I do not think it should be this way…I feel the father should have a say. But they laws today…should reflect this line of reasoning. You as a left wing feminist abortion champion….want your cake and eat it to…to want to hang the man out for dry…milk him for all he is worth.

People do horrible things all the time. I do not condemn anyone for anything. But the act of abortion is heartless. Can a woman make a mistake? ABsolutely. The law gives her a right to make this mistake…if abortion was legal she more than likely would have the child. Abortion is an evil act….I know it better than you do believe me. I suffered, had suicidal thoughts for years and I work with enough women to know the suffering done silently. I work with a lot of post abortive women…Look up the group Silent No More….
And when I pray at PP clinics….we do not yell and scream….we pray and we hand out literature to the people who will take it. Many women won't look at before we go in…but seriously…we see them crying when they come out. And many times have we talked to the women who are broken. So my dear…don't point fingers at me…you have no clue what you are talking about.

Determination to kill…..such a good quality. You are barking up the wrong tree with me…..a life is a life….and no child in the womb deserves what it gets. Our country should hang its head in disgrace.

She might feel guilty if she is living with her parents and they end up supporting her. If she has many other children…the fact that the new one would take extra time…and attention…attention that she might not feel she has. Guilty if she goes somewhere and they judge her unfairly for even giving birth.
First of all scripture does not say it was the apple just to let you know…it was fruit. Secondly Adam was the head of Eve. God held him more accountable. And Adam was punished as well. Go to Bible Gateway and read Genesis….to get the story if you do not know it. Particularly read Genesis 3:7 where it says that it was only after Adam ate of the forbidden fruit that the eyes of both were opened. Also Paul said this in Romans 5:12. " Therefore, just as sin entered the world through ONE MAN, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"
God entrusted Adam with everything in the Garden….he held him more accountable.

I was not lucky…and had someone given me information about fetal development had I not been like you are today a feminist who thought I was the only one that mattered…had abortion been legal...I would have another child today. But ya know what….I am not going to blame anyone but myself and the life I was leading which was immoral and ungodly. I was certainly not living out my Christian ideals…or the ones I thought I had. And sin splashes as I found out…my sin caused me suffering and pain throughout most my life….until 9-11…when I gave my life to Christ. Women have to know that God forgives…that they do not have to live like that…that there is hope.

You are very judgmental…as most pro-aborts are.

I work with women in the organization Silent No More…I stand at colleges and universities with a sign….."I had an abortion please ask me why." You would be surprised at the wonderful people I meet who also like me were broken by the decision they made. So please point your finger at yourself…because I have Christ on my side….He is not on yours….not if you condone killing.