Walmart turns to robots and apps in stores

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes on routine task that requires little or no thought
    you cant teach a robot to improvise unless you are able to program every conceivable variable possible differing from the routine
    that sheet rock installing robot for example is it taught to move a stack of lumber placed in its way?
     
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    it will have that objects with photos program into it not to proceed further or go around it
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    would you be able to teach it the difference between a root and a water pipe or worse a gas line? would you have the robot stop every time it hits an obstruction? it would worthless if it does that
     
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    you can have another robot to do that
     
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    Mentally handicapped people who like to work doing jobs others may not want to do, and take home a paycheck, are going to suffer the firstest and the mostest.

    As robots get smarter well, ya'll do the math.

    Smash robots now.
     
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    if you hook them up to AI artificial intelligence it will tell them to proceed or stop
     
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    so now its required two couple of hundred thousand dollar robots to do the task of one sheet rock installer you just priced your self out of the market
     
  8. trucker

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    i try to go too a person on the cashier isle everytime just to piss off walmart and cut some of their profits:laughing:
     
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    After several trips through, I "still can't do" bananas and apples, and always tell the gal, it's always a gal, that the help embarrasses me and I'm just going to steal them next time -- but really I'll just ask for help again.
     
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    yes the small mom and pop companies can compete, but the large construction companies can afford them cheaper if they buy a lot of them
     
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    women should just be as worried:worry: about robots then men at some construction site
     
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    why are they still using them? appears it doesn't take breaks and never gets tired, works through day swing and nite shift till the walls are done
     
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    most walmart cashiers are elderly women [​IMG] where are they going to find a replacement job:confuse: oh just make them out:eek: of soylent green sorry pop off the cornfield
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    FYI, there will always be some people that are going to struggle. That said, I agree, certainly the younger in the workforce are going to have to step it up and fast. Society and technology are moving very quickly and those that do not at least try to keep pace will be left behind.
     
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    Actually John Deere has automated excavators. The AsBuilts are programmed or downloaded into the system, so they will know where the gas line is.

    https://www.equipmentworld.com/deer...es-to-190g-w-wheeled-excavator-and-11-others/
     
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    Yep, it will be those with the most repetitive and routine jobs who get replaced first,
    i.e low skilled jobs which tend to pay the lowest, as those are the easiest jobs to automate.
    But of course, people with more sophisticated jobs shouldn't get to thinking that theirs are safe.

    Regarding that 50% figure... you're referring to the Frey and Osborn study, right?
    The chart based off that study is a pretty good indication of the jobs most at risk.
    Thing is though, that study was conducted in 2013. We are already 5 years in...

    In other words, the automation horizon is closer than many folks might think, its basically already starting to happen, and already, we're starting to see more clearly the numbers of workers who are about to become obsolete due to things like cutting edge convenience store automation, such as in the OP, construction robots, and even self-driving cars and trucks. A lot of it may still be too costly for wide spread use, but the concepts have already been proven out. As the technology and manufacturing processes improve, such automation will only continue to become faster, more efficient, and more affordable.

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    BTW, you folks who keep saying that we need to "smash the automation" or similar stuff like that...
    You should know that the automation can't really be stopped that way. Nor any other way really.
    In other words, such progress as what we're seeing is inevitable. That isn't to say we shouldn't
    try to mitigate the negative effects that may come with said progress, but trying to halt or
    reverse the progress itself isn't really something we can do effectively, nor is it something
    we should want to do given a number of far superior options for dealing with the situation.

    What To Do About The Long-Term Implications of Automation

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    Nobody forces you to shop at big supermarkets. You're free to use small shops that don't have automated checkouts. Of course, you'd probably have to pay more, travel further and have less choice so it's really a question of how much you really care. If you can't be bothered with the effort of taking your business elsewhere though, I'm not sure you can justify disrupting things for everyone else.
     
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    I know you weren't asking me, but here's my solution:
    Four-Phased Approach
    BTW, we actually had a politicalforum Ranked Vote over this subject back in June. That Four-Phased Approach got third place. The two most popular options of the vote were, shifting to a system in which there were more Employee-Owned Corporations, and Making All Employees Holders of Company Stock... basically changing up the system such that workers would receive a share of profits rather than having automation leading to it just increasingly going to only those at the very top echelons of society. There were also plenty of ideas suggested which revolved around providing training and or education to update the human workforce for any potential jobs of the future.

    Automation Ranked Vote

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    I was on a project recently where the walls were framed offsite, this is done on some prevailing wage jobs to get away paying framers $15 hr in the fab yard rather than paying $50-$60 on site. Anyway, the plates were cut and fed into a printer where studs, king studs, cripples, backing as well as where all floor joists and trusses were to land all printed on the top and bottom plate. It made life good for the MEP trades that followed behind them since everyone was involved in the original lay out. Imagine every unit framed exactly the same instead of this one framed by a right handed Mexican and the next by a left handed one.
     
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    Now, hold on just a minute...I thought it was the Chinese taking our jobs.

    But then again, I thought it was the Japanese.

    No, wait, remember the railroads? It was the Chinese.

    Sorry. I couldn't help it. You are correct that economic progress = job loss. I'm not a Luddite or a robot fanboy, but realistically speaking, I don't think we can avoid them. I try to put things into context, and one of those contexts is the past. Robots are meant to eliminate the need for labor. So to was the use of steel to make saws. With a saw, one person can do much more work than another person with a stone axe. Add an engine to that saw, and you can eliminate even more labor. There is a tree-felling machine can be driven up against a tree while cutting through the trunk, and then can drag the tree over to another machine that removes the limbs and most of the bark. It also cuts the logs to preset lengths so they can get loaded right on a truck and sent to a sawmill. A one-man logging crew. Who knows, maybe in time the truck will drive itself to the mill.

    There aren't too many jobs that can't be eliminated, but can we really stop this progress? "The future is comin' on," which leads us to the Matrix...I think.
    Robbie, Robbie, don't take my jobby!
     
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    nearly every store here in ny has humanless pos, besides i like making a point, screw everybody behind me, maybe if they complain enough the stores will add more humans ;)

    i do same at the supermarket, here they have to charge us for the plastic grocery bags because they want everyone to utilize reusables. well those reusables breed bacteria, does anyone wash them each time? doubt it. and because the bags are for 'sale' ( it's not a fee nor a tax collected by the gov) i slooooow those lines down by asking for 90 bags which takes time for the cashier to count em out, pisses everybody off including managers, however i remind them that the bags are an item for sale in their store, and until a limit is imposed, i'd like 90, nah make it 199 bags please :D
     
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    That's been the big question for a long time. Alan Turing wasn't the first to bring that to light, but his name is associated with it. Can AI ever have consciousness? It's not out of the question, but we're not even close to that yet. Machine learning can bring that much closer to reality, but there is the final hurdle. I think we're more likely to see a blend of human and machine.
     
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    Not all of them and not individual stores like butchers and bakeries. The fact remains that you could make your "protest" by denying them your business entirely but you're apparently not willing to go to that effort. You're happy to disrupt other people's lives in the queue behind you but aren't willing to accept too much disruption in your own.

    Could it be that you actually get more enjoyment from causing the disruption that you actually care about the reasoning behind it, that the self-service checkouts aren't really a problem for you, just a convenient target? :cool:
     
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    if the stock market crashes do to jobs futures now down over 400 points for mondays opening
    being taken away from robotics and mass unemployment, i say its going to be blamed and a culture change will come for survival of capitalism to continue and a backwards old school drift will happen
     

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