War On Electric Cars: BigOil Smugly Says: "Let the Free Market Decide"

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What part of "The existing existing power grids can't handle the additional load" don't you understand? You can hook up all the solar power you want to the grid and we'll still have rolling black outs because the Wires and Transformers can't handle the additional load?
     
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    Kind of a shame -- and we oppose the creation of biofuel vehicles because they still aren't 100% green. The reason I like that idea better (if the goal is not using ME oil) is that the average car can be converted to biofuels by adding a converter for $100 -- which is within the means of most people. Volts are nice if you live in a place where you don't drive all that much -- but even then, I think a train or a subway would be more efficient.
     
  3. Silhouette

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    I already said that progress requires sacrafice. Read all my post and not cherry pick it for your rebuttal. When new subdivisions are put in, we use tons of wire. So just think of each new juicing station as a new subdivision. The investment in wire will be more than paid for by the investors when the factor that the FUEL IS FREE is worked into the investment-equation..

    Solar thermal takes heat energy from the sun and in proper designs, focuses it to create superheated steam to run turbines. The areas most driven in are those with the most sunshine. It would be well worth the investment.
     
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    Diesels are legal in the U.S. VW sells several different diesel models--Jetta, Tiguan, Passat, to name some. Now, it's hard to get approval for automobile diesels, due to emissions standards, but it can be done.
     
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    Actually, it's the increased price of cleaner diesel that does the most to get rid of the diesel MPG.
     
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    Progress requires sacrifice? That hasn't been the way technological progress has occurred in the past.
     
  7. Silhouette

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    That is the way ALL capitalism progresses. What planet to you live on? You invest/outlay and then wait for returns to pay off the outlay and turn a profit.

    Or did I miss something in economics 101?
     
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    No, please read what I posted. All the added emission junk (worst culprit is the particulate filter in the exhaust) makes the engine burn more fuel. Not to mention, all the added on stuff is finicky, complicated, delicate, and incredibly expensive when something fails.
     
  9. Silhouette

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    Smog systems were designed at maximum inefficiency to increase amount of fuel America burns. If the platinum particles are introduced during the power stroke, the gas is more completely burned BEFORE the exhaust, making the catalytic-converter obsolete, along with all the smog pumps and so on; and the vehicle WAY more fuel efficient.

    One wonders about the nullifying effect of using more gas to make the air cleaner. After all, even catalytic converters don't make exhaust 100% clean. So if you're burning tons more fuel than you need to, you're introducing tons more pollutants than you need to into the atmosphere each year. The EPA should crunch the numbers on that, and introducing very minute particles of platinum during the power stroke vs after it in order to create guidelines for Detroit's manufacturing process.

    Platinum spark plugs do help but there needs to be an atomizer that purposefully introduces a measured stream to make reliable improvements in MPG and emissions. The random shaving off of unpredictable amounts of platinum from the plugs doesn't really make a huge difference. What scientists have found is that the more minute the platinum particles are before the spark, the more effect they have on complete combustion of the fuel. There used to be a design for this called a "platinum preburner" that was "disappeared" by BigOil just months after it appeared on the internet in the late 1980s-early 1990s...thereabouts..
     
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    Time to lose the tinfoil hat, Silly.
     
  11. Silhouette

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    Oh, you want a source? I'll take off my platinum hat and give you one then:

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    That's not at all what your article says lol. The article says the emissions will either stay the same or get better depending on your power source.

    Bottom line is our national emissions will plummet.

    And it is MUCH easier to add new power plants than it is to replace an entire nation's car fleet.

    If we all had electric cars then our cars would be powered by whatever the hell is the best power option in the area.
     
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    Well, I contemplated buying a Jetta diesel a few years ago. What made it not worthwhile was the 25% markup in diesel over gasoline at that time. I should have said as an addition to your point, the other point is the ultra-low sulfur diesel is extremely expensive (compared to regular diesel), which is another reason that diesel cars aren't competitive in the U.S.
     
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    The markup in diesel happened PRECISELY at the time Canada announced it was pushing diesel so they could cut to make biodiesel. I remember it clearly. One week diesel was cheaper than gas by a significant amount. Then Canada make it's announcement, and then in increments over a month or so, diesel "crept up" to significantly more than the price of gas.

    Politics of fuel prices can be wrangled with legislation, aslong as we roust the BigOil whores from Congress.
     

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