Washington State bans gay conversion therapy on minors

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  1. Questerr

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    Man inserts his penis into the mouth of a woman who consents. He’s using his penis for something which is wasn’t intended.

    But why do t I ever hear you say anything about that?
     
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    yeah, that's horrible, like being made to go to bed at the hour the parents deem appropriate, or being forbidden to hang out with kids their parents disapprove of.
     
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    you haven't presented any
     
  4. Questerr

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    They aren’t making a decision because sexual attraction is not a choice.
     
  5. Questerr

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    So you believe it should be okay for parents to literally torture their kids? Have you ever looked into what happens at these so called “therapy” places?
     
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    Kids don’t usually enter “conversion therapy” voluntarily. Their Christofascist parents force them into it.
     
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    Are you joking? Do you actually believe its just random chance billions of humans are straight and random chance that the only way for the species to procreate is through heterosexual sex? Did you completely miss basic sex ed as a child?
     
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    That's right they were explaining the woefully uninformed argument from your side then hit you with reality.

    Compared to the general population, non-heterosexual and transgender subpopulations have higher rates of mental health problems such as anxiety, depression, and suicide, as well as behavioral and social problems such as substance abuse and intimate partner violence. The prevailing explanation in the scientific literature is the social stress model, which posits that social stressors — such as stigmatization and discrimination — faced by members of these subpopulations account for the disparity in mental health outcomes. Studies show that while social stressors do contribute to the increased risk of poor mental health outcomes for these populations, they likely do not account for the entire disparity....

    Compiling the risk ratios found in these papers, the authors estimated that lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals had a 2.47 times higher lifetime risk than heterosexuals for suicide attempts,[3] that they were about twice as likely to experience depression over a twelve-month period,[4] and approximately 1.5 times as likely to experience anxiety disorders.[5] Both non-heterosexual men and women were found to be at an elevated risk for substance abuse problems (1.51 times as likely),[6] with the risk for non-heterosexual women especially high — 3.42 times higher than for heterosexual women.[7] Non-heterosexual men, on the other hand, were at a particularly high risk for suicide attempts: while non-heterosexual men and women together were at a 2.47 times greater risk of suicide attempts over their lifetimes, non-heterosexual men were found to be at a 4.28 times greater risk.[8]

    These findings have been replicated in other studies, both in the United States and internationally, confirming a consistent and alarming pattern.


    http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publi...tcomes-and-social-stress-sexuality-and-gender

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    I know its hard but you really need to embrace the science and not this sick new anti science religion of yours.
     
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    Everything is fascist today with Leftists if you dont think like they do or at least humor them.

    I personally don't agree with conversion therapy. I don't think it works that well. I don't
    think that a homophobic bootcamp mainly because of religion beliefs of parents is suitable.

    Counseling? Sure if the kid is confused and needs to talk to someone. Continued therapy if they choose after that.

    I wonder if there is a conversion therapy for Leftism? I mean it's proven wrong every day. I'm serious. It's intolerant, violent, divisive not practical and highly ineffective in any mana agrement aapparatus from work to government..
     
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    LOL then produce them. I would love to see the science behind that laughable claim. :)

    Actually when you think about it, that supports my argument that is a pure psychological condition as well since the only natural procreation is through heterosexual sex. Did you not even think about that either?

    The only one doing that is you. The very fact that gays can still produce offspring even though their chosen sexual practice would make it impossible only supports my case even more.

    Your opinion means nothing. The belief in homosexuality being genetic or natural is the real religion and you have no right to tell others they cannot believe their psychological disorder can be treated while in the same breath support the psychical mutilation of a child for your sick religious beliefs.
     
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    Please describe the "torture".
     
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    The government has absolutely no right to take any position on what kind of 'sexual orientation' a person has -- except to mandate certain basic understandings about public restrooms, and things of that nature, most of which are oriented toward sanitation and the prevention of crime..

    If you're male, and have male 'plumbing' you go into the male public restroom. If you're female, and you have female 'plumbing', you go into the female public restroom. VERY simple, intuitive things like that, which have been a part of nearly every civilized country's culture for hundreds of years....

    But governmental decrees about if and how someone should be taught or counceled about sexuality, sex 'practices', in ANY way, or anything of that nature. NO, NO... a thousand times -- NO!

    What is the Federal Government supposed to do? What is a State Government supposed to do? Read the Constitution of the United States, and read the Constitution of the individual, sovereign state in question! That's it... that's ALL....
     
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    Unsubstantiated
     
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    If people choose to not procreate are they unnatural?
     
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    You could not be more wrong.

    I've seen people like you many times. You copy and paste lists given to you by propagandists, but do not actually read the cites. That's why you didn't link to them. Because they obliterate your argument.

    Not one of your cites claims that homosexuality is a mental disorder which needs to be treated, or that gays need to be converted into heterosexuals.

    In fact, they directly contradict that bullshit.

    You are like one of those cartoon characters who has run off a cliff and is still pedaling your feet in midair, not knowing there is no ground beneath you.

    Sorry about that. But let that be a lesson to you to not blindly copy and paste some bullshit given to you without engaging in any critical thinking.

    It is bigotry which is the mental disorder. It is bigotry which needs conversion.
     
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    I'm amazed that those places are still around. They discovered a conversion 'camp' at a small church near Boston when I was a kid. The children there were beaten and forced into religious 'rituals'. I remember my dad was part of the investigation. EDIT: lol my dad was a cop, not part of the church
     
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    Hopefully, you are not anyone's parent.
     
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    The several times in my life I have been approached by men to have sex with them.
     
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    Electroshock, forced physical exertion to exhaustion, verbal and emotional abuse, the same kinda of brainwashing techniques used by cults, “conversion therapy” is universally condemned by scientists for a reason.
     
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    The psychology behind sexual attraction is clear. It is not a choice.
     
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    I'm going with this. But in turn I think the problem with both is the idea that it's in the hands of the parents.

    Imagine the parents sending the child for a sex change who themselves was ambivalent about it. This I imagine is akin to most kids being sent for conversion therapy.

    Delicate subject. Say your ten year old admits to homosexual feelings. They have more or less no idea what they're talking about in my estimation. Do you do more damage by sending them to therapy where they can really fixate on the 'problem' and build up a complex in their minds before they even really understand sexuality?

    For me. I'd more or less ignore it -- and drip feed some gentle advice re learning to develop a mature idea of sexuality given time and continuous interaction with others.

    I actually have experience of this. My brother told my mum he was gay when he was like, seven. She literally said this 'Shut up Marten' and that was that. He's not gay.
     
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    Some states specifically point out to young children the notable people who they beleive practiced gay sex https://www.thedailybeast.com/california-leads-the-way-teaching-lgbt-history-to-schoolchildren
    they don't specify those who had sex with animals or the opposite sex, just those who had gay sex

    there is a camp where enlightened parents send their children to cross dress.https://www.camparanutiq.org
     
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    I am against serious abuse. That would make certain things illegal (electroshock therapy), but leave others up to the parents (example: saying "don't be gay")
     
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    And the justification for this claim is ?
     

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