What are the enemies of democracy?

Reasonable evidence of fraud is all over the place. Proving fraud is harder than pulling hens' teeth.

 

It depends on your point of view. Pick up your reading at Four Suicides......https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

It may be your opinion that a traumatic event like being present at the Capital on 1/6 isn't concrete enough for you to attribute a suicide to it. But that's just your opinion. Sorry to blow up your premise.

 

It took over half a century to prove that Lyndon Johnson stole a US Senate seat (1), and yet you have Democrats saying, "Hey, it's been a year. No evidence. Thus no fraud."

 

.........that is enough to come close to changing the outcome of the election? Or more or less the same amount of fraud in all presidential elections?

 

I'm sure if you wait long enough JFK will turn up at Dealey Plaza. Never give up.

 

So point of view determines the number of deaths, but point of view doesn't determine vote counts?

Got it.

 

There is room for interpretation on the suicide deaths. Not so with voter fraud. Got it?

 

The last election was obviously rigged.

"The new Emerson poll puts Trump at 35 percent with black voters and 38 percent with Hispanics. “If you add in Asian voters at 28 percent approval,” notes Emerson’s director of polling Spencer Kimball, “our number is very close to the new Marist poll,” which finds Trump’s approval at 33 percent among non-white voters. A recent RasmussenReports poll has Trump support among black voters at 34 percent, and even the new CNN poll has Trump’s approval among non-white voters at 26 percent.

Why is losing black voters by a two-to-one margin something to shout about? Because if Donald Trump came anywhere close to those numbers on Election Day, he’d likely win a ***50-state sweep***. Minority voters — and black voters in particular — are an absolutely vital part of the Democratic base. And they don’t vote for Republicans, particularly for president."

NEWSDAY, New polls show black support for Trump surging, By Michael Graham, 12/3/19. (*** mine)
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/black-voters-donald-trump-support-1.39184208

And election riggers are clearly "the enemies of democracy".

 

Nope. Anything else?

 

Yes, and LBJ's case was not that hard.

 

Distorting the truth INCLUDES simply not reporting things that don’t fit a political bias. It includes headlining stories that fit your agenda and sh-tcanning stories that don’t.

CNN and others bias their news too, and you know it.

 

MAN! Is your black white, and white black!!

 

Do you deny that election rigging is common in the US and that the DP has depended on its ability to rig elections for its survival as a political party?

 

Politicians. Everyone knows this.

 

A legitimate investigation of Texas and Illinois votes in 1960 would prove Democratic Party fraud stole the states for Kennedy. Democrat fraud is a given in every election.

 

Senator Paul summed up how Liberals “stole” the election perfectly: convinced potential voters to fill out valid absentee ballots.

Whoa. Who da’ thunk! The fraud has been exposed more voters cast ballots for the ticket of a Party other than the GOP.

 

https://nypost.com/2000/11/10/ironic-twist-daleys-dad-helped-steal-vote-for-

IRONIC TWIST: DALEY’S DAD HELPED STEAL VOTE FOR JFK

 

Not really, we had millions of mail in ballots before Covid, and a few more millions afterwards?

In a few cases the Gov and the Secy of State elected to extend the deadline because of Covid?

In a few cases, they made it easier to vote?

This is your 'big change' argument?

Not seeing it, personally.

 

Don't want to digress from the thread too much. I ended up reading it because of a deep dive into John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band. When I teach my kiddos the trappings of fame I like to give them interesting examples of it being good but problematic. You can imagine an example where you toil in obscurity for 10+years, end up striking it big but no one really gets to see your face and then half the haters claim you are a low rent Bruce Springsteen anyway makes for some interesting discussion.

The book is darker and the movie is more enjoyable. I'd say think of how the book of Forrest Gump went over for most compared to the movie.

 

In just as many cases the courts unconstitutionally extended the deadline and changed the procedures, notably in Pennsylvania. In the cases you exemplify more the half were also done unconstitutionally without legislature consent or direction. The Democrat operatives of course targeted administration officials (on the theory that convincing a half-dozen is much easier than convincing a few hundred) even though they knew it was illegal. I'm not aware of any such targeting of judges and courts though.

 

So are you saying that LBJ did not steal that US Senate election?

So, let me see if I understand your current point of logic. Point of view determines cause of death, but point of view does not determine voter fraud, unless you are referring to provable voter fraud against Democrats, such as in the case of LBJ, which then it is absolutely determined by point of view.

 

We need either a 3rd party or a strong GOP candidate like Trump to ensure a power balance. Once having too much control ruins the country.

 

I think we will agree to disagree.

 

As the terms have been used, as they have evolved, they have been used, on occasion, interchangeably.

Try as you might, there is no 'official' distinction in the meaning of the two terms.

That being said, 'absentee ballot' was initially meant ballots submitted by mail by persons who could not vote in person, such as military or disabled persons who couldn't travel to a voting booth. Mail in ballots, however, have been sent to anyone requesting them.

But, what is the difference, in practical terms?

There isn't any.

If you have a complaint that some states are mailing them to everyone, fine, I'll accept that. Maybe they shouldn't do that. I suppose.

What I won't accept is if a state allows anyone to request a mail in ballot, that this policy is a bad one.

Now, some suggest that states that allow for mail in balloting, some have raised an issue because they will allow the voter request a mail in ballot, but later change their mind and they will be allowed to vote in person. This, they assume, will lead to voters voting twice.

However, there is no evidence for this claim.

It isn't really much different in practical terms because we know how well absentee balloting has worked, so there is no reason to conclude it will be any less of a problem for anyone else. You can't assume criminal behavior before a crime is committed, you need evidence to support your claim. There just isn't any.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/18/whats-difference-between-absentee-mail-in-voting/

Because of the confusion around the terms, the NCSL is now using the term “absentee/mailed ballots” to refer to ballots that are mailed to voters by election officials.