What does phaseout of expanded medicaid REALLY mean? Besides me being dead?

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I don't usually agree with you but if what you posted in the thread title is completely accurate Guyzilla you've convinced me to support the Medicaid phase out enthusiastically.

    Congratulations. You've won the argument.
     
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    Do I need to call you a liar? Oregon, which has more than twice as many trees as any other state, except Washinhton, produces more lumber than any other state. Logging companies such as Weyerhaeuser are doing just fine.

    It has been primarily mechanization that has killed off logging jobs. A couple of men with the right machines can cut more trees in a day than what it used to take a hundred men to do in a week. Same thing with lumber mills. The poorest parts of Oregon are full of people wishing for lumber jobs that went away more than twenty years ago and aren't coming back. It as if they lack the wherewithal to do anything but cut down trees.

    Also, in parts of the state, and this is also true in Colorado, tourists, who don't want to see the horror of clear cuts, bring in more money than logging.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I GUESS YOU GOT YOURS, end of story. I hope YOUR ER goes belly up, as they will with folks like you pushing for Unfunded federal mandates on hospitals. Maybe you die waiting in the long line of the ER. All good, you will save a few pennies on taxes,.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And it is amazing to watch them do it. I am all for sustainable forestry, etc, but have to admit, seeing those big trees handled like toothpicks by machines is fascinating to me. A friend of mine's husband owns a logging company and it only employs 4 or 5 people at any given time.
     
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    Not that I support the Libertarian party per se (although I fully support libertarianism), but did you pay any attention to Gary Johnson? The reason I ask is that he went full SJW, language policing people who used the term "illegal immigrant" and getting really upset about it. Saying he would force people to bake gay wedding cakes. The full nine yards. Absolutely not a "hard core conservative". Actually not libertarian at all, but authoritarian left wing.

    We were talking about libertarianism. Can't break out of the left/right paradigm? There's nothing wrong with being left wing (or right wing), as long as you're not authoritarian about it.

    My characterization comes from, among other things, seeing progressives cannibalize themselves whenever another progressive's views don't meet their purity test. Evergreen State College immediately comes to mind, where the cultists, er, students turned on the highly liberal faculty and started calling them racists while holding them hostage and disrupting board meetings. Contemporary progressives aren't liberal, and they certainly aren't libertarian. They are on the left, to be sure, but their ideology is authoritarian Marxist. Real liberals would do well to disavow them.
     
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    I've spent a lot of time developing instruments that ensure the purity of water. The two primary users of pure water are the pharmaceutical and semiconducter industries. I happen to know that 75% of Intel processors are made in the US. Texas Instruments and Fairchild also do most of their manufacturing in the US. Global Foundries, which makes chips for IBM and AMD has plants all over the world, half of them in the US.

    Nonetheless, manufacturing has long been on the low end of the totem pole. In one company that I worked for, the manufacturing process took up around 1/6th of the budget and retailers doubled the price. Thus when a consumer bought the product, only 1/12th the price went to manufacturing.

    As a product designer it has always been part of my job to minimize manufacturing costs.
     
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    I think it is really amazing too. The large lumber companies own thousands of acres where they plant trees in nice neat rows which makes the process even more efficient.
     
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    yeah the guy I was talking about mainly timbers under contract to one lumber company that owns a bazllion acres and does it on their land. Even unloading the stuff, they can bring it in on semi that they park on some special table that locks onto the truck lifts the whole thing up at a steep angle and the stuff just slides right off and away they go.
     
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    I wasn't talking about chips. Chips go on a multi-layer circuit board which are now made mostly off shore. There are some made here for prototype purposes.
     
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    I've been designing my own printed circuit boards for 40 years. There are hundreds, if not thousands of PCB manufacturers in the US, as well as many companies fabricate them in-house.
     
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    Until just this moment,reading your post, I didn't realize how much the current "progressive" Marxists are behaving just as the Communist Chinese Red Guard did in their early stages. They, of course, ended up destroying most of Chinese culture. I sincerely hope our leadership wakes up in time to nip this unsavory movement in the bud.
     
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    I find printed circuit boards fascinating. I even wrote a paper once about the chemical reaction with ferrous chloride and copper cladding. In a certain way it violates general patterns of behavior as to chemical bonding. It makes it easier to reverse the reaction, making recycling easy.
     
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    I have insurance genius.
     
  14. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fat bit of hood that'll do ya in the ER triage line.
     
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    If you say so Olly ;)

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    What makes you think ER services are going to change significantly?

    Note, I remember being warned in an article years ago that when you go to an ER you should take a book (magazine) to read (or two) because your wait time could be 6-8 hours.

    That was decades BEFORE the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare).
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When all the poor go there, instead of to the doc as they should, YOU are SH#t outta luck cuz theys worse off.
     
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    The mortgage interest deduction is my money. Medicaid is not the recipients money. Pretty cut and dry.
     
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    I think MJ should be legal for every citizen to grow. So I guess we actually agree that the Republican stance is silly. I am conservative but not monolithic.
     
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    I did say some pcs are made here.
     

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