What does phaseout of expanded medicaid REALLY mean? Besides me being dead?

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  1. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I see you're living in the Libertarian cult fantasy land. How is it, I wonder, how yer average Libertarian cult member can claim to have free will and still be such a conformist.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense, CA has more natural resources that have fueled the economy DESPITE liberal attempts to stop it. CA has more regulations on natural resources, EPA regulations, liberal County Departments, etc. and despite that, The People work hard and are made to support the feckless, bureaucratic, fanny-sitting leftists.
     
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    That sounds a lot like capitalism.
     
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    I think this means the federal government's subsidizing of Medicare will cap the further growth in their spending some years down the road. Beyond that the states will have to pick it up.
    BTW, I halfway agree with the resource limit. I think there should be a limit but much higher than the ridiculous $2000-$3000 of today.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Get a subsidized Obamacare policy. They sound dreamy.
     
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    Strike two I'm not a libertarian and Strike three The most remarkable thing about the libertarian movement is that it is markedly fragmentary once you get by that damnable belief in free choice as long as it harm none other, they are all over the place.
     
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    Well actually in that case the shoe is clearly on the other foot.
     
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    From what I gather, it simply places the burden of expansion on to the states.

    What's wrong with that? Talk to your governor and tell him/her that you'll die if a state based expansion isn't funded.

    Guys in the next state over have their own worries, and don't need yours.
     
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    Bill Gates used his legal knowledge, obtained from his father, to rip off every American with his eternal licensing of systems which should be paid for once.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    A hundred years ago natural resources fueled economic growth. Now days, innovation does. The largest industry in California is the high tech industry. Even though California has perhaps the largest agricultural output of any state, it is dwarfed by the aerospace industry there.
     
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    A good portion of my income comes from royalties.
     
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    CA 'high tech' manufacturing went overseas with more stringent EPA regulations. CA 'high tech' is supported by Taiwan, Mexico and China. Most of CA is rural and a lot of it is agricultural,...rice, orchards, etc.
     
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    Didn't the Democrats who run California just kill a single-payer, medical-care-for-all, plan?
     
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    You don't read the business section of the paper, do you?

    Is not marihuana the largest cash crop in California? Not exactly conservative fare. Which is why Humbolt county is represented by a Democrat in the US House of Representatives.

    Speaking of that. Republicans like to claim, among other things, that we need a wall to keep drugs out. Silly, silly Republicans, don't you know that much better marihuana is grown in the Pacific Northwest?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    As one who made his money in high-tech, you seem to not understand how it works. There really isn't much money in the manufacturing process. The real money is in design and then in marketing. That is why it is typical for high-tech companies to have profitability in the 20-25% range. Even more for software companies.

    In my company manufacturing is only 25% of the business with machines doing most of the work. The other 75% is mostly in development and marketing, which are intricately interwoven.
     
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    Medicaid for the disabled and poor elderly is not being phased out and any State is free to maintain expanded Medicaid as long as they pay for it, as I see it we people on Medicaid need to be grateful the TAXPAYERS provide for us.
     
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    There used to be but not anymore. Strict EPA regulations gutted manufacturing in silicon valley. You can design and market all you want but somebody has to do the manufacturing dirty work. Today that stuff is done off shore except for maybe prototype work. I spent 15 years in Silicon Valley making multi-layer circuit boards and CPUs. All of it went off shore mainly because effluent had to be cleaner than the water coming into the facility. Unless your company manufactures all your computer infrastructure, you are depending on off shore manufacturing that is polluting the environment.
     
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    Well that was unintelligible. Not sure what self respect has to do with the mass hysteria of the latest religion.
     
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    Which goes a long way toward explaining many of your elitist posts on here.
     
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    Medicaid is not supposed to cover the middle class.
     
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    I notice you don't touch on the decline of Oregon's lumber decline and the those displaced by it? Where did you expect all those folks to relocate to, Canada? Oregon did like every other state under Oberry's reign, and financed the displaced until their Benny's were exhausted and then tossed them to the wayside and counted them as employed!
     
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    True, but to play liberal's advocate, having $1500 in assets in no way puts anyone even close to the middle class.
     
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    Well, it would be a case of putting your money where your mouth is.
     
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    But it is very libertarian. You do realize that libertarian isn't a left/right thing, yes? It is merely the opposition to authoritarianism, yet you malign it as being a "cult", when the truth is that modern progressivism is much more accurately described as a cult.
     
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    I fully understand that the word libertarian is separate from those who follow the silliness of the Libertarian Party. Members of The Libertarian Party have been described as conservatives who want to smoke pot and bang hookers. My opinion is that they are right-wingers who deceptively use the language of liberals. This can be seen in that every politician to ever gain office while claiming to be a Libertarian has turned out to be a hard core conservative and there is nothing in opposition to authority in right-wing parlance.

    All my life I have purposely lived in very liberal areas because I am well aware that I am much more free and much less harassed by authorities in liberal areas than conservative ones. I highly suspect that your characterization of modern progressivism as a cult has more to do with your cult like indoctrination via right-wing propaganda than an honest observation.
     

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