What if Jesus was a satanic agent?

You make so many assumptions to get to this point. You assume your experience was valid. You assume scriptures were written for our edification and the honour of god. You assume that the god for whom the scriptures were written and the god to which you refer are the same god.

 

No one is calling you a liar friend .. I believe that you really do believe that you can outsmart - The Adversary - and that the Chief God on Earth , despite being the greatest deceiver the world has ever known with god like powers is not able to trick humans.

What does quoting from John "I and my Father are one" have to do with the ability of God's Tester on earth to best humans in a game of wits ? Then asking if the words of Jesus rob understanding ?

What words of Jesus do you figure rob understanding ? and what a bizarre thing to say. All I can figure is than when one runs from the Truth .. the Spirit of Jesus through which God's word is made known .. as you are so often won't to do .. one is then robbed of the understanding.

To your other question .. No - the words of Truth from Jesus do not Lie -- but what is being peddled here is a deception of self .. this deflection from the teaching of Jesus has not / does not rob understanding of the Truth.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me and I give unto them eternal life" - A fine.. and rather priceless citation from scripture .. as it is related to the exact scripture that you have run away from previously --- and will now do so again in all likelihood. Tell us what following Jesus entails .. how does one will receive eternal life.

Is it found in the loving arms of Idol Martin's interpretation of Paul ? the "Free Pass" ideology to which you previously ran .. when presented with the word of Lord Jesus ..

What must one do to earn salvation friend --- what does this following of Jesus entail ? .. as per your citation .. how does one get into the Kingdom of Heaven according to the Word of Lord Jesus ?

after which .. tell me how it is that you think these folks peddling "Free Pass" ideology of Idol Martin have not been tricked ?

 

The post was in reply to Injeun post. Religion is simply man made. Not for me.

 

Still avoiding the question. Should a baby be punished for the sins of its parents?

 

I didn't avoid your question. I answered it. You asked if God is unjust. I said no. That's my answer. I also don't know if the record and your review of the record is accurate.

 

I think everyone should give Injeun some credit. It’s not easy to have multiple people questioning your beliefs. Whether we agree or not Injeun, you deserve credit for being able to go through this without losing your cool. The internet is full of mocking and ridicule and people who will use any means to drown out the voice of the other but you bravely press on. Well done sir.

 

You suggested that because I don't know the Fathers name or that of the spirit who came to me, then I am likely/possibly deceived by Satan. I quoted Revelation to show the spirit doesn't give its name. And I quoted Jesus to show he didn't give his Fathers name. So I asked you how the scriptures mislead or rob us with a lack of information which you think is pertinent in distinguishing good from evil.

That said, I recognized and remembered Gods spirit when it came to me.

 

You didn't answer the question. It was simple. 'Should a baby be punished for the sins of its parents?' And the story can be read in the Bible. Regardless of whether it is just a story or true, the question remains. A just god would have held the parents to blame - not the child. And then god allows David to have Bathsheba's husband killed so he can marry her. Then god rewards them with another son who becomes a king favoured by god - Solomon. Hm.

 

I don't assume what I know.

More precisely for the congregation of Gods people thousands of years ago. People today are just eavesdroppers on that old conversation.

Again I know. As reason would have it, if God is real, there can only be one God. And he is the same all the time. His spirit showed me in a vision/revelation that he is the God of the Bible and of the Jews. I don't know this from the Bible. I know it from his spirit, independent from all things written or spoken. I am not a biblical scholar or even a student.

The Bible isn't God. It is a pointer to God. But people wield it like a plundered relic, pretending that it gives them special powers and callings. They parrot the contents and fancy themselves members of the congregation. In keeping with that audacity and to complete the transformation to the image of righteousness, they elect themselves to Gods service and authority. In so doing they dispossess God of his free agency to choose his own servants, and dictate to God. Consequently, to them there is no God but the Bible and their own vain heroism in advancing his work. But it is clearly their work, and not Gods, and of no eternal effect. That is tradition. Imo it borders on criminality because it runs roughshod over the divine.

In the sermon on the mount Jesus said: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

These aren't my words. They are Jesus's words. He is speaking to those who presume to use the scriptures to serve their own interests, which they assume to be Gods.
There are countless good sincere people in traditional Christianity. But it should be noted that it is tens of thousands of differing denominations, each with their own interpretation of the Bible. Therefore they teach tens of thousands of different gospels and Christs. Yet they all hold the same Bible as if its singularity were their validation. But the very fact that it teaches one Christ and one gospel, while they teach tens of thousands of different ones, means that the Bible stands as a silent witness against them rather than to validate them. I'm sorry to say this, but it is true and self evident. Collectively, traditional Christianity is babel, a marketplace of counterfeiters, all vying for the souls of men as if we were but keepsakes on the shelf of a multi tongued Devil. I don't like that. I don't like being told there's something wrong with me for not supporting it. Or that I'm mean, traitorous, and evil for not upholding this criminal enterprise parading as God or an angelic being. It is its own enemy. I can't help that. That said, I know that God lives and the Bible testimony is true. What people do is up to them.

 

The way you put it, then then a baby should not be punished for its Parents sins. But if it is indeed Gods judgment or will, then it is just because God is just. There are most likely parameters to the matter of which you are unaware or weren't written or were removed. Who knows. But one would have to be fool to fault God for anything in life.

 

Then god is not responsible for creating this world? After all it is so unstable that it kills thousands each year - those who believe and those who don't.

 

Despite Lukes ridiculous story which I pointed out. Even Matthew contradicts himself. Collectively religion is a rabble.

 

This life wasn't meant to be forever. The nature or sense of forever resides in our inclination to Gods influence who is eternal. This life was intended to gain a body and experience in preparation for the next phase of Gods plan for us. That next phase is the resurrection to immortality according to the power and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The quality of that immortality is predicated on our choices and behavior between then and our entering mortality. My religion teaches that there is much activity in the spirit world, where the gospel is being taught and learned, embraced and rejected, and so forth in a process of purification and sanctification according to their choices. Everyone who has ever lived still exists in the spirit world. They are all Gods children.

 

My God - you quoted John .. and gave a complete misinterpretation now you are saying revelations told you about some spirit that didn't give its name .. as rational for why you do not know the name of your God .. and you are correct about Jesus not giving the name to the general public .. this not the practice of Jews did you not know ?

Anyway .. Great -- we finally established that you do not know the name of your God .. nor the identity of this spirit that came to you .. the spirit of the God who's name we do not know .. Tricky Trick that one ... know of another God played that Trick .. perhaps the offspring of EA .. say that name and tell me what it sounds like .. just for fun and then tell me about Elijah's name .. and what the "Jah" Rastafa means .. at the end of his name .. or better .. how about telling us what Samu-EL .. what does that name mean .. and what is that name of the Most High doing at the back end friend.

but Ok .. names not important - but your sure this Mystery God is not Ha Satan .. but who then .. from which God did this spirit come ? Is it the God of the Israelites .. which God is it .. are you sure it is not Yahu of the Shasu ? because that God has a name .. The Great God of Moses .. and we know that God's name .. but your God does not have a name .. so . if your God is not the God of Moses .. then who is your God friend .. or is this God not even associated with the Gods of the Bible and Jesus ?

Who is this God you worship .. .. clearly you don't know who or which one it is .. other than to say its not the Chief God of the Earth .. who is also a nameless God but, who wears the Title The Adversary .. Ha Satan

oh .. hmmm - hold on here .. did you say your God was the nameless God ? .. are you sure Ha Satan is not the one .. .. and if not.. then which one ?

 

Then what the point of Jesus dying for the sins of man if the gospel is still being preached in the spirit world

 

"If indeed it is God's Judgement" - Yes Injeun, Exactly ! .. and that is the whole point of knowing the name of your God. How do you know which God's Judgement to follow if you don't know the name of your God.

You have been presented with a case where one God-Jah says "Kill the Child" .. the other God- Jeal says "Do not Kill the Child"
If you do not know that your God's name is Jeal.. and you choose to kill the Child .. you are going against God's Judgement .. and will suffer the punishment for doing so according to the will that God .. which of course you don't know .. because you don't know the name of your God .. so can not know if anything in the Bible is God's Judgement or God's will ..

Knowing the name of your God is critical to playing the game of Gods fella's - Look at the Patriarchs .. First question when encountering any God .. if not the Second .. "What is your Name" .. who is communicating to me ?? a logical question since they all believe in the existence of many Gods . both prior to and after the Godly visitation. Abe -- God announces himself as EL Shaddai .. a name/Epithet for the Canaanite High God (EL) .. later called EL- Oliun "El Supreme" in Abes meeting with Melchi-Zedek the Canaanite High Priest and King of Jerusalem - "City of Peace" .. Zedek being the Patron God at that time .. Twin Gods of Justice and Righteousness.

Names are important friends - The Priest-Kings of the day generally had the name of the Patron God of the City or Nation written on their foreheads = the name of the God added to their name. So if you know the name .. you know the name of the patron or national God .. Assurbanipal of Assyria -Assur, Nabochaddnezzar -- Nabu -- Son of Marduk . Marduk a Son of Enki - brother to EL (Enlil, Ellil) .. It is Marduk who defeats YHWH at the end of the Bible Story.. but, thats all in a name and who cares about that.

Jacob cared .. first thing out of his mouth after wrestling match -- what is your name
Moses cared - YHWH

So many Gods .. BAAL very popular rival to YHWH - during the day ... which one to follow .. YHWH and BAAL were tight at one point .. but then YHWH broke off telling the people to no longer associate him with the name BAAL ..

Then we have one of the most famous Gods of the Bible .. goes by the name Jealous - Try not to cross paths with that one .. Nasty God
and don't forget Ha Satan .. the Tester of Souls .. very powerful God who becomes Chief of the Earth at some point after the Death of YHWH .. the place where his name resided destroyed by Marduk of Babylon.

From which God do you take Judgement ? Which God's word do you follow .. Jah - Kill the Child -- Jeal - Do not kill the Child ? What is the name of the God you follow ?

 

Oh please. We're talking about the God of the Jews as the only God of all mankind. You are the one talking about multiple Gods and what ifs. As such the conversation devolves into babble. I am not God. So my opinion about the child is nothing but an opinion. If according to the scripture the child should die as the will of God, then so be it. Why make a big deal out of a record of a day in the life of someone who lived thousands of years ago anyway. I have my own problems this day. I'm not here to fault God. I know that God is real, that he lives and is divine. Don't ask me to prove it as I can no more prove it than I can eat and drink to your nutrition. If there is any satanic influence in the topic, it is his suggesting that Jesus Christ is evil or that there is no God.

 

For the building of understanding, line upon line.

 

Just a quick thought. My testimony doesn't come from me. It comes from Gods spirit who I recognized and remembered. Were it Satan, I couldn't recognize and remember him as God. Neither does Satan bring peace and charity and teach to believe in Jesus Christ, or to do any good thing.

 

So we live multiple times. Reincarnation in the spiritual world? For those who die as atheists does Jesus have to die again?

 

We exist forever due to the eternal nature of our spirits in that we are all the offspring of an eternal God. So that is baked in. We live once in mortality to obtain a body. And then in the resurrection we will be reunited to our bodies as immortal. Jesus sacrifice spans the whole. But the quality of our immortality is determined beforehand by our conduct and choices along the course in this world and the spirit world. This breaks from traditional Christianity where you either accept Jesus now or go to hell forever. The shortcomings of that doctrine are glaring for reason and for a loving God. IE, what about those who never heard of it. What about those who die young. And those who lived and died before Jesus Christ. Those whose traditions do not include the gospel of Jesus Christ. And of course the biggie which are all the falsehoods parading as the truth. Atheists aren't Atheists because there is no God. They are Atheists because of all the lies and deceit regarding God. My understanding of these things is meager at best. So take what I say with a grain of salt. I just know that God isn't our enemy. He really is our Father and he loves us. And he only wants the best for our eternal happiness. In short, it will all work out. God makes no mistakes. But it is still incumbent on us to do the best we can with our lives.

 

No one asked you to prove anything .. .. been trying to figure out who your God is .. a God who's name you say you do not know ... and you know naught the commands of this God . but you say the name of this God is not YHWH .. nor Jealous - not the God of Abraham nor any of the Gods of the Israelites.

Now you say your God is the God of the Jews-- a group who came long after the Israelites .. after the death of YHWH - a new Religion called Judaism .. and a new God.

The name of the God of Judaism Jehovah is it not ? call him Jah for short .. Your claim that Jah is the God of all mankind is a bit far fetched - given you don't know who this God is .. didn't know the name of this God .. don't know this God's commands .. nor this God's relationship to Ha Satan - which you might want to figure out prior to telling all mankind that this is the God they should be worshiping.

Now back to the question . Does Jah command to kill the baby - or let he baby live ? .. what is the command of Jah on the issue - according to the OT.

 

According to the scripture, had the baby lived, the enemies of the God of David would have called God evil for fostering it. So God punished David and appeased his enemies by taking the baby's life. Now the enemies of God call him evil for giving them their desire (go figure). David repented. The enemies of God do not. Their call for justice is a lie. They seek self glorification and to pull down God. The only thing to be gained from making war with God is misery. It is the spirit of Satan who would that all men be miserable like unto himself. It is best to make peace with God, or at least to remain a stranger than to challenge his endless might.

 

Thank you I got it. Clear. Sorrt Religion as it is created by humans me too is not for me. Although from the sounds of it Trevor, I probably would listen to a lot of what you have to say about humans and our propensity to hate one another in the name of religion.

I have found past Injeun posts problematic but on this thread he is speaking from his heart so I will respect it at one basic level bit I do not kid myself. I am NOT surprised how fast he or anyone else may feel tempted to burn a cross to make a point.

Me I might throw a bagel or offer dates, figs or prunes. It is one of my beliefs religion starts when people do not get enough fibre in their diet. Makes them miserable.

 

Holy off in la la land deflection from reality. What on earth are you talking about -- No one said anything about David's baby ... and this is not about God taking the life of a baby-- or letting baby live. This is about your actions .. and what your God commands .. not about David.

What does your God Command -- are you to kill the child .. for the sin of the Father ... .or let the child live .. and let us know soon as the defendants have a right to a speedy trial .. your verdict having Zero with some God punishing David.

Do you not understand what the commands of your God are ?