What is the end game for race realist?

Thanks you have no point, but you had to say something. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.

 

"Wealth transfer" is usually things left-wing Democrats push for in order to take money away from whites (who earned it) and give it to their coalition of voters (who did not). Things like "inheritance taxes", "death taxes", progressive taxation, all fall under this political umbrella.

How is the collapse of central banking going to put blacks ahead of whites? What is the new currency, and who will facilitate it?

If calculus could be learned by the age of 10, I would have expected East Asians, who tend to excel in mathematics, to have their 10 year olds all knowing calculus by now.

But here's a question, if you've figured out how to "hack the human brain" and teach children calculus by the time they are 10, why are you only doing this for the benefit of blacks and other minorities? If we really want a world with no racism, why shouldn't everyone benefit from this? That would be like a white doctor inventing a drug that helps people live an extra 20 years, but he only wants to give it to white people.

I can't find statistics for young black voters as opposed to older black voters, but I'd be shocked if less than 80% of young blacks didn't vote for Democrats in the past 5 elections.

Based on his October speech, he's far more conservative than any of them. Whether or not he follows through remains to be seen, though.

You may be right about that. I just don't see blacks being at the forefront of this workforce. Not with the current education and work force gaps. I'd put my money on East Asians, Jews, and whites (in that order).

I don't think the Government has to socialize people to think racially. It does the exact opposite, with whites at least.

I attribute the differences in the races to many things, most of which being culture. Genetics may or may not have a big part to play. I wish the topic was acceptable, as I find it fascinating.

 

Which is why humans are not solitary creatures, and have been part of a social group since the beginning. A lion isn't going to attack a pack of humans.

I'm not saying blacks have no intellect. I'm simply asking if it's possible for a group to have evolved certain unique genetic traits that make them more athletic in order to survive in their environment, whereas another group needed more evolution in intellect instead of physicality in order to survive.

 

That's not wealth transfer, that's redistribution. Wealth transfer can only happen after an economic collapse. This is where blacks need to be positioning themselves since that's the opening.

Cryptocurrency should arise as the new currency, which cannot be controlled by a central bank. And because it can't be controlled by any central bank, then this should mean that means that we should see a rise in capital for black individuals and investors. Right now the FED picks its winners and losers, and those winners are usually white.

Asians don't learn math the right way. Mathematics must be understood inutiively. Asians, like most Americans learn it via rote. That's a problem going into the future, because mathematics must become far more intuitive to the average person.

Kids do learn very intuitively, and there is no reason why I kind can't conceptually understand calculus. The rigor can come later, but understand the mathematically system can be understood by a 10 year old mind, if not younger.

Because my goal isn't really to help black people, it's to prove a point.

And you won't, because I doubt there has ever been a polls for this. That is why it's very important to talk to people, and not just rely on polls. Polls don't ask the right questions.

You can't tell me he's conservative and he's talking about tariffs.

Ah, workforce. Another thing that's going to be going away very soon. The idea that there will be jobs. Jobs will eventually cease to exist. We're moving to a full agorist society in the forseeable future.

Of course it does. The media is programming you to think racially from birth. From the minute the doctor fills out your birth certificate, to filling out any government form, to even getting a medical exam. The media keeps race issues at the forefront, and that's for a reason

If you believe the differences in races are cultural, then you're not actually a race realist. Race realist does not believe culture plays a role in the conditions of people. They believe it's purely genetic and that it can't be changed.

 

No, BLM is protesting the corruption within the criminal justice system including cops that kill unarmed Blacks at alarmingly high rates and courts that let them off the hook. People who know what they are talking about don't call this government oppression they call it corruption and recognize that these are individual cases that have resulted in an unacceptable trend.

The Ancient Egyptians and Nubians were not Caucasians. You can try to debate me on this but in my experience White Nationalists have to do serious mental gymnastics to try to deny that these were Black civilizations or had Blacks in them. The artistic and scientific evidence is very strong. There is a controversy surrounding the race of the Ancient Egyptians but the Nubians being Black isn't even controversial. They conquered Egypt and ruled for about 100 years. This is a historical fact.

What is your point? Commercials featuring interracial relationships are art imitating life. We don't live under segregation any more. It's 2016 not 1950. Interracial relationships are becoming more common because races are living in close proximity to each other going to the same schools, working together and socializing which does lead to an increase in interracial unions including marriage and a change in attitudes on race-mixing. Commercials are not making this more common everyday social interaction is. Personally if someone feels inspired to go out and date someone of another race from a commercial I think that is a good thing. I have no problem with that because I am not a racist.

Show me some evidence then. I'm not afraid to look at evidence.

Islamophobia is definitely spreading in Europe since 9/11 but there are no White Nationalist groups with a serious chance to gain control of any European countries.

And what relationship does that law change have with progressive and Egalitarian policies? Americans has been moving to the left including in White communities since the 1960s. More minorities mean more Democratic votes but Bill Clinton and Barack Obama would not have gotten elected without White votes. If you look at the electoral map many of the urban counties are blue while most of the rural counties are red. Trump winning was a shock however Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Al Gore did as well. I think we need to do away with the Electoral College. More Hispanic immigration will make it harder for Repulicans to win as well.

I will make a prediction and perhaps in 4 years if we are still on here we can see if it pans out. By the end of his first term Trump's approval rating will be well below 60% where Obama is close to now and the numbers will show that the country is worse off with him as President than it was with Obama. Whether he is a one term President or not will depend on the voters.

 

I'm not giving anyone Afrocentric revisionist history. By all means talk about the rest of Africa but you're falling in to a trap yourself if you think you can convince these people of anything. The goal is to shut them down not change their mind.

 

"The Ancient Egyptians and Nubians were not Caucasians. You can try to debate me on this but in my experience White Nationalists have to do serious mental gymnastics to try to deny that these were Black civilizations or had Blacks in them. The artistic and scientific evidence is very strong. There is a controversy surrounding the race of the Ancient Egyptians but the Nubians being Black isn't even controversial. They conquered Egypt and ruled for about 100 years. This is a historical fact."

Egyptians probably looked about like they do now. They left lots of pictorial evidence as well a statues and such. They weren't Black. They didn't have wings, either.

 

The racists haven't been able to land a glove on me so go ahead and explain your opinion.

 

They did leave a lot of art that can be used as pictorial evidence behind which illustrates my point. The fact that you would equate Black Africans having civilizations with having wings shows your racist ideological bias. So let's look at the artistic and scientific evidence for a moment.

[video=youtube;5RAH_a99EhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAH_a99EhQ[/video]

As you can see in the video above which is representative of art in tomb paintings from different time periods the Ancient Egyptians largely depicted themselves with a medium brown skin tone.

Now let's test your intellectual honesty. Is medium brown closer to the complexion of this Egyptian?



Or this Egyptian?



Not only did the Ancient Egyptians leave behind art depicting themselves they also left behind art comparing themselves to their neighbors such as this mural of races from the Tomb of Seti I:



Notice that the Ancient Egyptians in the mural are uniformly depicted as brown compared to jet-black Nubians, tan Asiatics and white Libyans.

Now again from the Egyptians I mentioned which skin color is closer to the shade the Egyptians chose for themselves and which is close to the light-skinned neighbors? Answer honestly.

Here is some scientific evidence showing that the Ancient Egyptians were more biologically similar to their more Southerly neighbors and mixed with immigrants and invaders primarily from Europe and Southwest Asia over time.

 

Nice cherry picking. The Egyptians had no trouble depicting folks with Negroid features. Most of the Egyptians were clearly not Negroid.

 

There's no cherry picking on my end unless you consider presenting a multitude of images representative of the Ancient Egyptian art as cherry-picking. What are Negroid features? Broad faces and noses? Not all Black Africans have those features. In Northeast Africa and the Horn African ethnic groups such as the Somali, Eritreans, Oromo and some Nubians have more narrow faces and noses and their complexion ranges from medium brown to dark brown. So the Negroid ruse is simply not going to work here. Not with me.

 

I understand your desire to distance yourself from your Sub-Saharan brothers. Were your ancestors West African?

 

As I feared. This has turned into another were Egyptians black?" debate. So irrelevant.

This is what race realist love to do. Get you side tracked. That is why they love to throw little nuggets about Obama and BLM into a debate about race realism. Just to get you side tracked.

 

Have you run out of arguments already? You didn't even answer my questions exposing your racial bias.

They aren't side tracking me. This is normal discourse for discussions in general to talk about different issues. Why are you so fearful about talking about the Ancient Egyptians?

You called me a Noob to debate but I am a seasoned Pro. I am showing them that one doesn't have to accept their racist narrative of history. All you have to do is show them counter examples that undercut their arguments and the argument collapses like a house of cards.

 

Yeah, the Egyptians were Negroes with wings.

 

So you have run out of arguments. If that is the case show some class and concede defeat. Appeal to ridicule only makes you look foolish.

 

Egyptian remains have been studied exhaustively. We know what they looked like from forensic methods as well as there own depictions. We have tissue and hair samples. They weren't Negroid.

 

I already posted the scientific evidence from the Ancient Egyptian remains so again you fail.

 

Modern scholars who have studied Ancient Egyptian culture and population history have responded to the controversy over the race of the Ancient Egyptians in different ways.

Since the second half of the 20th century, most anthropologists have rejected the notion of race as having any validity in the study of human biology. Stuart Tyson Smith writes in the 2001 Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt, "Any characterization of race of the ancient Egyptians depends on modern cultural definitions, not on scientific study. Thus, by modern American standards it is reasonable to characterize the Egyptians as 'black', while acknowledging the scientific evidence for the physical diversity of Africans." Frank M. Snowden asserts "Egyptians, Greeks and Romans attached no special stigma to the colour of the skin and developed no hierarchical notions of race whereby highest and lowest positions in the social pyramid were based on colour." Additionally, typological and hierarchical models of race have increasingly been rejected by scientists in favour of models of geographical origin.

It is now largely agreed that Dynastic Egyptians were indigenous to the Nile area. About 5,000 years ago, the Sahara area dried out, and part of the indigenous Saharan population retreated east towards the Nile Valley. In addition, peoples from the Middle East entered the Nile Valley, bringing with them wheat, barley, sheep, goats, and possibly cattle. Dynastic Egyptians referred to their country as "The Two Lands". During the Predynastic period (about 4800 to 4300BC), the Merimde culture flourished in the northern part of Egypt (Lower Egypt). This culture, among others, has links to the Levant in the Middle East.The pottery of the later Buto Maadi culture, best known from the site at Maadi near Cairo, also shows connections to the southern Levant as well. In the southern part of Egypt (Upper Egypt), the predynastic Badarian culture was followed by the Naqada culture. These people seem to be more closely related to the Nubians than with northern Egyptians.

Due to its geographical location at the crossroads of several major cultural areas, Egypt has experienced a number of foreign invasions during historical times, including by the Canaanites (Hyksos), the Ancient Libyans, the Nubians, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Macedonian Greeks, the Romans (Byzantium in late antiquity/early Middle Ages), the Arabs, the Turks, and the British.

At the UNESCO "Symposium on the Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of the Meroitic Script" in Cairo in 1974, the Black Hypothesis met with "profound" disagreement. Most participants concluded that the Ancient Egyptian population was indigenous to the Nile Valley, and was made up of people from north and south of the Sahara who were differentiated by their color. The arguments for all sides are recorded in the UNESCO publication General History of Africa, with the "Origin of the Egyptians" chapter being written by Cheikh Anta Diop.

In 1975, the mummy of Ramesses II was taken to France for preservation. The mummy was also forensically tested by Professor Pierre-Fernand Ceccaldi, the chief forensic scientist at the Criminal Identification Laboratory of Paris, who wrote: "Hair, astonishingly preserved, showed some complementary data - especially about pigmentation: Ramses II was a Red haired cymnotriche leucoderma", that is a fair-skinned person with wavy red hair.

In 2008, S. O. Y. Keita wrote


"There is no scientific reason to believe that the primary ancestors of the Egyptian population emerged and evolved outside of northeast Africa.... The basic overall genetic profile of the modern population is consistent with the diversity of ancient populations that would have been indigenous to northeastern Africa and subject to the range of evolutionary influences over time, although researchers vary in the details of their explanations of those influences."

 

What good do you think copy/pasting Wikipedia is going to do you? The irony is that I am the one who created the section about modern scholarship on the race of the Ancient Egyptians. Not surprisingly the article has been butchered. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. Now it is a mismesh of conflicting information. Compare that mess to me posting a single, coherent article and asking questions of an expert in the field whose answers support my point.

 

So Ramesses II was a Negro?

 

This is a picture of Ramesses II from a tomb painting:



Notice that he is brown-skinned and slaying light-skinned Asiatics. If he was White why would they depict him like that?

Ceccaldi's examination of Ramesses II hair is flawed. You can't assess skin color from hair color so there is no scientific basis for proclaiming Ramesses II was a leucoderm. That is an assumption on his part. Ramesses II died of old age. His hair color at death was probably gray and dyed with henna. Hair color can also change color after burial over long time scales.

 

Nobody said the Egyptian weren't dark skinned, just not Negroid. Many Indians classified as Caucasian are almost Black. How does your forensic expertise compare with that of Professor Pierre-Fernand Ceccaldi?

 

So now they are brown-skinned Caucasians? Are the other East African populations such as the Somali, Oromo, Eritreans and Nubians dark-skinned Caucasians too? Do you not see how that doesn't make your argument any more credible? Even if I accepted the Negroid-Caucasoid ruse, which I don't, Ancient Egypt was still an African civilization that was far more advanced than anything in Europe at the time. Caucasoid and Negroid are meaningless terminology. Brown-skinned Africans with narrow noses and faces are still not White so if Whites are superior why was there a culture like this that was more advanced than them for hundreds of years?

The White Supremacist narrative of human history is a farce. Different stages of cultural achievement does not make certain populations smart and other populations stupid. That is my point. You can be born poor and become rich and successful. Some populations built civilizations that were successful and today are third world countries or not as powerful as they used to be. Race is not a determinant of mental ability.

 

So now they are brown-skinned Caucasians? Absolutely! Are the other East African populations such as the Somali, Oromo, Eritreans and Nubians dark-skinned Caucasians too? No. Do you not see how that doesn't make your argument any more credible? Even if I accepted the Negroid-Caucasoid ruse, which I don't, Ancient Egypt was still an African civilization that was far more advanced than anything in Europe at the time.I have no doubt that Egypt has always been in Africa. Caucasoid and Negroid are meaningless terminology. About half the scientific community will disagree.Brown-skinned Africans with narrow noses and faces are still not White so if Whites are superior why was there a culture like this that was more advanced than them for hundreds of years? I don't know. I do know that Negroid is much more than skin color as evidenced by albino Negroes.