What is the end game for race realist?

And people who are telling me that my knowledge of genetics is lacking. I will definitely tell you that it is. So why don't you fill me in on genetics? tell me what genes make blacks violent? Is this gene absent in children from 0-18, manifest from 18-25, and then goes dormant after a black person is above 25? How do you explain the spike in violence for whites who are also 18-25? Do they have the same warrior gene as black people do? How about white people in Eastern Europe, or the middle east (afterall they are caucasion, and should be genetically identifical to whites from Europe). Do they also have a warrior gene as well?

Or am I looking at racial categories to broadly? Is there some sort of difference between Aborigines (who are caucasion) and whites from the Northern Europe?

 

So are you saying that Egpytians who are caucasion have more in common genetically with whites in Northern Europe than blacks who neighbor them or even have occupied the same nation as they have for over 1,000 years?

 

White Supremacists claiming Black people are more innately violent because of disproportionate crime rates is a joke. If you look at historical atrocities (crimes against humanity) White people are as violent as they come. Enslaving an entire race of people that involved beatings, rape and murder. Committing genocide across two continents. All of the wars in Europe alone not to mention two World Wars. The argument is simply not credible.

 

I wouldn't even go that far. They're saying a population of millions commit a few thousand murders a year. And this is evidence of some sort of immutable genetic characteristic of blacks. It's inconsistent at the very least. They say my math is wrong, but keep introducing more classification. But if you're going to say blacks are more prone to violence, then you don't need to break it down into groups. This would be evident in all blacks no matter what socio-economic, cultural, or age group they fall into. We should have 60 year old black men shooting people in the face.

 

No. I'm saying that Egyptians have little in common with Sub-Saharan Africans.

 

And why is this? I'm not a geneticist. Explain to me, in simple terms how Egypt would have drawn no influence from Sub-Sahara Africa. A place where many Sub Saharian Africans have lived and occupied since Ancient times. I'm just trying to figure this out.

 

There is nothing magic about 18 - 25. It could be 15 - 35 or 13 - 27. I picked the numbers because I could do the math in my head. Black violence starts very early as evidenced by the higher numbers of Blacks disciplined in kindergarten and elementary school.

 

Yes, the vast majority of Black Americans are law-abiding citizens. The ones committing the murders are mostly gangsters and drug dealers in Urban areas. To say that the small minority of violent criminals within the Black population is evidence of an innate tendency towards aggressive and violent behavior that is greater than other races is nonsense.

 

If it is more than skin color that makes someone a particular race. And a caucasion can have pitch black skin, or be super white. Then what actually makes someone the race they are?

 

Egyptians were influence mostly by their neighbors and trading partners. Sub-Saharan Africa is not a neighbor but there was some trade evidenced by the exotic animals and trade goods like ivory and slaves.

 

Oh really, so now we're using grade school as a metric for violence. I understand you have to look at a ton of difference variables that on the surface that seem irrelevant. But you don't think anything else contributes to behavior problems aside from their race? Ever look into stress in families, perhaps living in poverty? Or how about to flat out bad parenting? None of these are factors in a child acting out in class? It can only be race?

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Ok thanks for the education. so where does Ivory in Africa mainly come from then? And who were these people called the Kemets? I honestly know next to nothing about ancient Egypt. So I need you to explain them to me.

 

Aboriginal Australians are a completely different race, definitely not Caucasian and also not Negroid.

 

Then you contradicted yourself in post #36 when you said specifically that BLM is complaining about racism in the criminal justice system. Racism is discrimination, right? And the criminal justice system is part of Government, right? You said discrimination by the Government is oppression.

Not according to the non Afro-centrist sources on the subject. I'll trust them over the alternative, since they are not the ones eagerly trying to cover up the dearth of human advancement in their civilization's histories.

The Ancient Egyptians were not black, as previously demonstrated by myself and others, though I understand why blacks would want to take credit for their accomplishments.

Most blacks don't, and I don't blame them. If I were black, I'd try and date women of other races as well.

Excuse me if I don't have faith in your ability to tell the future. I have more faith in the election results of the past 17 years that show a strong growth trend than I do in your say-so.

No, it can't happen. You won't get 3/4ths of the states to agree to it even if, by some miracle, it clears 2/3rds of Congress, and recent polls show people have more faith in the EC than they have in decades.

Democrats care only about power and money. Your narrative falls apart when most billionaires in the country supported the Democrats, not Republicans. Republicans are the party of hard-working families.

"A good President" is going to look very different to me than it is to you, evidenced by your view that Obama was a good President.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Genetics of Ancient Egypt do not support the Afro-centrist view that they were in any way similar to Sub-Saharan Africans, which is where most black people are derived from. The lack of human civilizations and progress in Sub-Saharan Africa has created motivation to take credit for the accomplishments of other groups, which is frankly quite pathetic.

 

Then what are they. I've heard people refer to them as Caucasian on more than 1 occasion. What was the overwhelming genetic evidence that lead to them to be reclassified?

 

I guess there are no poor Whites or Asians. There are no White or Asian families under stress. Most of those living in poverty in the U.S. are White.

 

Stating that it's all genetic is a reach to me. But whatever, you're going to believe what you're going to believe. you don't really have any evidence for this, I know it and you know it.

I mean all I'm asking for is tangible genetic evidence. I know there are genes, just show me which genes these are. I mean you guys are acting like asking for actual genetic evidence is somehow the wrong thing to ask for. And we should look at everything else BUT genetic evidence. I'm pretty sure a lot of things can be explained in many different ways. There are probably a million reasons why kids act out in class. But you only are willing to accept 1 explaination.

Oh and white kids act out in school. Asians more or less aren't really poor in America.

 

Did I say that Black violence/criminality was genetic? What we do know that low intelligence and criminality are related.

 

Define low intelligence

 

Aboriginal Australians are genetically most similar to the indigenous populations of Papua New Guinea, and more distantly related to groups from East India.They are very distinct from the indigenous populations of Borneo and Malaysia, sharing relatively little genomic information with them as compared to the groups previously mentioned.

 

BLM is complaining about racial bias in the criminal justice system. This is different from for instance actual laws that justify racism such as segregation. That was real oppression.

The sources I cited are credible. What you cited from Wikipedia is just a mishmash of sources provided by different editors (anyone can edit Wikipedia) and some are taken out of context.

You haven't demonstrated anything and you didn't refute any of my sources.

I'm not racist so I don't care about the race of women I date. Race doesn't matter to me. It wouldn't matter if I was Black or anything else. Many other men and women who are not Black agree.

Keep dreaming. Keep hope alive.

I'm not worried about it. We just need a stronger candidate than Hillary Clinton to get this fool out of office.

How did the last Republican Administration work out for hard working families? What makes you think Trump will do any better?

Indeed. My approval of Obama is backed up by numbers and a long list of achievements. Nearly 60% of Americans agree.

I can demonstrate that I am right with facts.

What is pathetic is you White Supremacists claiming you are mentally superior to Blacks. Why do you feel the need to do that? If you prefer the company of White people that is your business. Why do you feel the need to put down other people? As for Ancient Egypt and genetics I have already provided a source showing that the Ancient Egyptian remains have genetic lineages that are derived from Sub-Saharan Africa. There is other evidence.

DNA Tribes Digest February 1, 2013



The debate about the race of the Ancient Egyptians was not started by Afrocentrists or African-Americans. It was started by Eurocentric White Supremacists who traveled to Africa observed that the cultures they encountered in Africa at the time were not as technologically advanced as themselves and concluded that they must be superior. But when they came to Egypt they encountered the ruins of a culture that they couldn't deny was advanced, far more even than anything in their own history at the same time and tried to make sense of this discovery that fit their racist narrative of Africa. So they claimed the Ancient Egyptians were really White even though the art shows they were not. Or they were Arabs even though those people came later. Or they were some kind of Brown Caucasians. Mediterraneans. Hamites. Anything but Black, because that is just too far-fetched for Black people in Africa to have an advanced civilization. This is racist logic at work and if anything is pathetic it is that.

 

Whites didn't "enslave an entire race", blacks were already enslaving blacks in Africa, whites simply purchased them.

It's funny how you act like war was a unique thing in Europe. Wanna talk about the wars in Africa between tribes? How much genocide went on there, I wonder?

 

low - below average in amount, extent, or intensity; small: "bringing up children on a low income"

intelligence - the ability to acquire, understand, and use knowledge: a person of extraordinary intelligence.

 

I assume you are talking about the STEM advocacy group. http://www.stemedcoalition.org/stem-ed-coalition-activities/

If only.....

Even better than looking at thousands of people, it is best to look at everything. So where in the entire world is there any majority Black (Sub-Saharan in particular) that is not in the bottom 1/3 of nations in almost every category or human development?

If this was something other than genetics, then there would not be such a dramatic pattern.

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

You are not going to get good data from terrible nations like the Congo, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and so forth. No one is bothering to take any stats. There are no nationwide 911 call services. When people are murdered they are typically drug into the Bush, or often left to rot on the streets.

 

Whites made slavery a racial thing by fixating on Black Africans and justifying their enslavement with racism (e.g. enslaving a race of people). Their version of slavery was chattel slavery that lasted generation after generation. Slavery in Africa mostly involved taking prisoners of war captive who were later absorbed in to the society of their captors after a short time period. There was also indentured servitude. When Europeans came to Africa they recruited Africans to help with the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade which involved selling their POWs or capturing Africans from local tribes. When they couldn't buy captives as slaves they simply raided villages along the coast.

The bottomline is that this was a horrific atrocity as was the genocide of Native Americans. How can Whites argue that anyone is more violent than them given this history of violence? I'm not acting like only Whites are involved in war or atrocities. My position is that race has nothing to do with behavior. These are just counter examples to the racist narrative.

 

The is only because there is a global conspiracy to keep Sub-Saharan Africans subjugated.

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Yeah, just think how violent someplace like Denmark is compared to Ghana.