What To Do About The Long-Term Implications of Automation

They're just government schools, so anybody that thinks a government teacher can teach students how to tie their own shoelaces hasn't noticed that professor meathead wears crocs.

Government schools employ morons. If they aren't morons, they quickly leave for greener pastures where they might actually be of some use. Government teachers are nothing more than welfare recipients with a desk and a job title.

There's a reason why people homeschool their children, and that reason is government schools and the meatheads that the government employs.

 

Do you mean that there are places where public high school charges tuition?

I'm pretty sure everyone knows we pay taxes that go toward k-12.

 

As jobs in the private sector are replaced by automation, unemployment numbers will obviously rise accordingly, and unless the employed agree to support the unemployed, government jobs involving service and regulation will need to be created as a compensatory measure. Excessive hoarding of capital would need to be prohibited in order to provide salaries for these jobs, and the exploitive and nonproductive nature of the stock market would lead to its extinction.

There is NO painless solution.

 

I understand that some people feel for the poor in other counties who want to move here

But I am more concerned with what is best for Americans

If we are headed toward a society with many millions more idle hands than we have now I think are social problems are going to be severe even if the socialists take over and redistribute all the wealth

People need to work and have a purpose in life

 

automation is like climate change, we can deny it is happening. for example, America could have transitioned to green energy since jimmy carter put solar panels on the white house.

the peasants find dignity in menial work with living wages instead of welfare, and will use lawful government force to stop automation just as with green energy.

it is a fantasy to believe in preventative care, there will not be investments in a generous safety net or stepping stones like free education until there is no other choice.

 

I think it will be many years before robots take over as many jobs as some people here expect

First we end illegal migration so thst we do not have more and more idle hands now and in the future

Then we should stop importing cheap products made with chinese hands and produce those things here again

 

the rich from automation do not appear to be empathetic or compassionate, their end goal was a silent genocide of Americans left behind in the economy to make a political point for expanding socialism and welfare.

that was equally as bad as their counterparts on the other side who support stubborn principles of ending socialism at the cost of lives.

obviously the compromise will be war with north korea.

 

Ban it, and phase out the use of industrial robotics by law over the next 50 years and there will be a lot more jobs, just do this under UN TREATY under the clear defense of preventing global job losses. It would be the simplest practical solution.

 

I think it will take longer than 20 years

I really cant tell you how properly educated people should respond to a changing employment market of robots

But I suspect if we pay them to do nothing thats what most of them will do

 

Unfortunately capitalists and our version of capitalism have no responsibility to people whatsoever other than a few entitled groups of large shareholders. So yeah, this is going to require a huge societal shift in thinking and our perception of humanity and human relationships. We’ll also have to deal with this Puritanical/evangelical american perception that hominids are immoral/amoral if not toiling; this american urge to punish those we feel who do not “contribute” enough and our propensity to ostracize certain folks we view as “lazy” and undeserving.

 

shame was a ransom their god paid for, so that appears to be their solution to automation.

 

In my view there is a huge hole in your thinking here, the economic and political system is designed to maintain the status quo and serve the aristocracy alone. We have reinfoced that again and again both legislatively and economically. Voting in and working within the confines of the system as is will accomplish nothing. Engage in that manner if you like, but that alone will serve no one but those the power structure was designed to serve, and it was never "we the peope". This will require large scale mass noncooperation/nonparticipation and gatherings in the streets. Thus far things have just not gotten bad enough for a critical mass of the population to be moved toward anything but acquiescence and intra class bickering, as is always fomented by the power structure.

We have seen the public remain still over a half century of rerigged societal wealth redistribution. We have seen the public remain still in the face of bogus endless wars waged in their name. We have seen the public remain still as the economy was sodomized and the perpetrators were rewarded with socialist bailouts as if we were all subject to this notion of a “free market” economy. We have seen the public remain still as the guarantee of Habeus corpus was stripped from citizens.

And all along they voted. Power does whatever it is allowed to and the public has yet to straighten its collective back.

 

Then we got us a serious problem, no one wants as many people as we have made.

 

Not in my experence

People need work in their lives to keep them busy and out of trounle

 

That is how I see it too, along with the optimistic belief of some of us that a few hundred million unemployed will somehow create new jobs for them which AI and robots will never ever be able to do for greater efficiency. They use the paradigm of what happened when we moved from agriculture to industry. Yet industry needed humans, while what we are moving to needs very few humans, with less and less as time goes on. So AI and robotics is not like moving from agriculture to industry. More accurately it would be like moving from agriculture to industry where industry needed only a small percent of the working population. And we were left with a huge surplus of labor with no where to go, that AI and robots could not do at some point.

I think the reality is that when you need only 20 percent of a population to supply all goods and services you have an insolvable problem if you leave it up to the private sector to address it. This will render capitalism moot, as it would any economic model which cannot provide what people need in order to survive.

As I said to think that some force will create jobs for 80 percent of the work force in a paradigm intent on removing human beings from the equation is rainbow and unicorn thinking. But I understand why some of us do not want to face reality, a reality driven by logic. For it is unthinkable that we might get ourselves into a fix where there seems to be no solution for it when we also demand that progress cannot be stopped. Perhaps the old saw that we cannot have our cake and eat it to is applicable here? I think it is.