What Will Happen if Obama Wins?

Is this another example of the new con tactic of fact-free campaign rhetoric?
Here's a clue, sport. Comparing Obama to Hitler is the hallmark of a weak, ignorant tool.

What is dangerous is letting the cons, who lie blatantly and who like to tell people 'you're on your own', get back in power, especially now that the repubs have been highjacked by the lunatic, racist fringe on the right.
The vast majority of right-wingers hate Romney because he isn't extreme enough for them, but they recognize that he's a gutless panderer and will be easy to lead around by the shorthairs if he is elected, so they're voting for Romney as their puppet.

But the election was framed very neatly by Clinton in his speech at the convention, and people have responded to his best soundbite:
Dems believe we are all in this together, while repubs tell you that you are on your own.

That perfectly sums up the core difference between the dems and the cons in 2012.

And, you people got a lying, lunatic fringe ********* and a plastic, insecure flip-flopper leading the charge. Good luck with that.

 

Obama Win 2012:

If Obama wins, there will be no war with Iran, like there would have been had Bomb Bomb Bomb McCain been elected,or will be, if Romney/Ryan win.

There will be no war with Russia, no war with China, and further cooperation among nations of the world, to work together to improve relations and to address commonly shared problems of energy,transportation, global warming, population growth, pollution, and poverty.

The war in Afghanistan will end, and the troops brought home where they can help to distribute aid to the elderly and the poor, and to help build a 21st century infrastructure.

Further progress will be made in improving relationships between Israel and Palestinians, as Obama doctrine is not based on preemptive strikes and covert assassinations nor on promoting one religion over another.

The job situation, is independent of either party, because technology has advanced to such a degree, that jobs which used to require manual labor have been replaced by mechanization and computers. This problem cannot be solved by simply lowering Capital gains for mega wealthy. It requires some vision, which is more probable from Obama, than from Romney.

I submit some options, which IMO, many Progressives will agree with, which could happen if Obama is re elected and Democrats take a majority in Congress:

12 million people in the USA will not have to fear being labeled as "illegals". Those who desire to live and work in USA, will be given a chance to do so. One viable solution is a 5% National Sales tax, which will turn around the debate from one that we cannot afford more immigrants, to: the more immigrants, the more revenue is generated. The 5% tax is one everyone will pay, even the poor, which is a small price to pay, in exchange for universal healthcare, and welfare and food stamps. Welfare will still be in part, helping to find some kind of job for those receiving the subsidy.

Corporate taxes could be lowered, but the Democrat plan will have a requirement that American workers, must be used, and that profits must remain in USA. Govt/Private sector cooperation will be in the form of industry startup costs and compliance with EPA be a shared cost, in exchange for manufacturing goods in USA rather than outsourcing.

The Energy model will follow the Brazilian model, of less dependence on fossil fuels, and more use of renewable fuel from vegetation, gradually shifting to other forms of vegetation which produces 5 times as much biofuel/unit as does corn. To aid in this expansion of vegetation, vertical stack farming model, such as the Plantagon, will produce 10 times as much vegetation in the same area of land as is currently done, and in a controlled environment, powered by solar energy.

Transportation infrastructure will be improved, in the form of more vehicles that run on biofuel, and gradually replacing fossil fuel diesel engine buses. More electromagnetic propulsion trams on elevated platforms, to provide alternative, clean and efficient transportation for average income citizens to travel to Plantagon type supply centers that include healthcare facilities, and basic necessity supply distribution centers.

Other innovative solutions exist, that take advantage of modern technology, which can happen, if Obama and Democrats become majority in Congress.

 

WATCH THIS!!!

LISTEN TO THIS!!!

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON?!

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS?!

YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL, HARD TRUTH AND FACTS?!

HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXg2WsNCrW4&feature=related

DENY AND COMBAT THESE REAL, HARD FACTS AND TRUTHS!!!

 

Which is exactly what we Progressives are trying to avert, by use of reason, rather than fear.

 

I'm NOT fear mongering, and neither are those spreading the news about what's going on. We're trying to wake people up. It's the government spreading the fear.

Your fascist, globalist progressive so called reason is nothing more than lies, mis and disinformation, keeping people from knowing the real, hard truth and facts, so people can prepare for what's coming.

We wake people up so they know what's going on, can prepare, in order to survive, and hopefully save our Country and U.S. Constitution.

 

If Obama wins he'll be President of the U.S. for 4 more years. Conservatives won't stop asking questions and being wary. I'm just hoping he doesn't make some executive order making him President for life!! Then there is Hillary and the Clinton machine. It will be a full time job keeping the lefties on the run.

 

In the 21st century, there will definitely be a place for robots, except you will have to be reprogrammed from wanting to terminate people, to wanting to help people.

 

You display your typical lack luster reading comprehension. No where did I say Obama was like Hitler. I only compared the situations. They refused to hold Hitler accountable, just like you sheep refuse to hold Obama accountable. They though hitler could do no wrong, and was going to deliver them from all their hardships, you tools think exactly the same way. So no, Hitler and Obama are no way alike in their political views, but their idiot followers are almost identical.

First of all, nobody is buying your racist claim. It's old and worn out, and reeks of desperation. I know that doesn't bother you, because you will continue to mindlessly spew the same trash. But, that's ok, because most people see you for what you really are.
Next, I guess if yore not a mindless collectivist, everything must sound like "screw you, you're on your own". Meh, whatever guy, it's your lie, rock it however you want.

It's funny when leftist wackjobs call other people extreme.

Newsflash!!!
Most of the country doesn't want to be in this together with leftist. I guess it still hasn't dawned on you why people like you are a tiny minority in this country.

and people are falling all themselves to join the OWS clowns that had five seconds of fame? Atleast the tea party actually accomplished something.

But, hey if you are going to vote for a war mongering puppet bought and paid for by the super elite, good luck with that.

 

Uh huh. You evidently forgot the hysteria which greeted St. Sarah, the Republican's pin-up, who was going to save the world from the evils of communism, and the fawning adulation which every one of her inane utterances was greeted with. Now that was creepy!

 

This is complete foolishness. You don't think Obama won't use military force at the drop of a hat? What the (*)(*)(*)(*) was the bombing of Libya, some kumbiya hold hands type diplomacy? I guess you've forgotten all those drone strikes from Pakistan to Somalia. You don't think Obama hasn't used aggressive language about Syria or Iran? I guess you've also forgot Obama tried to extend the presence of US troops in Iraq as well.

Wow.

The rest of your rhetoric is pretty much devoid of reality. Good job.

 

You're a limey, nobody cares what you think.

 

You must be confusing "drop of the hat" bombing with Reagans bombing in 1986, a unilateral action not sanctioned by UN. And in response, a UN resolution 41/38 that condemned the action.

Contrast that, with the way Obama consulted with UN to get a UN Security Council Resolution 1973, in response to Libyan people uprising against Khaddafi, before using a COALITION of nations to aid Libyans opposed to dictatorship of Khadaffi.

Chronology of events:

Chronology
21 February 2011: Libyan deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Ibrahim Dabbashi called "on the UN to impose a no-fly zone on all Tripoli to cut off all supplies of arms and mercenaries to the regime."[37]
23 February 2011: French President Nicolas Sarkozy pushed for the European Union (EU) to pass sanctions against Gaddafi (freezing Gaddafi family funds abroad) and demand he stop attacks against civilians.
25 February 2011: Sarkozy said Gaddafi "must go".[52]
28 February 2011: British Prime Minister David Cameron proposed the idea of a no-fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from "airlifting mercenaries" and "using his military aeroplanes and armoured helicopters against civilians."[42]
1 March 2011: The US Senate unanimously passes non-binding Senate resolution S.RES.85 urging the United Nations Security Council to impose a Libyan no-fly zone and encouraging Gaddafi to step down. The US had naval forces positioned off the coast of Libya, as well as forces already in the region, including the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise.[53]
2 March 2011: The Governor General of Canada-in-Council authorises, on the advice of Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper, the deployment of the Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Charlottetown to the Mediterranean, off the coast of Libya.[54] Canadian National Defence Minister Peter MacKay stated that "[w]e are there for all inevitabilities. And NATO is looking at this as well ... This is taken as a precautionary and staged measure."[53]
7 March 2011: US Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder announced that NATO decided to step up surveillance missions of E-3 AWACS aircraft to twenty-four hours a day. On the same day, it was reported that an anonymous UN diplomat confirmed to Agence France Presse that France and Britain were drawing up a resolution on the no-fly zone that would be considered by the UN Security Council during the same week.[41] The Gulf Cooperation Council also on that day called upon the UN Security Council to "take all necessary measures to protect civilians, including enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya."
9 March 2011: The head of the Libyan National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul Jalil, "pleaded for the international community to move quickly to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, declaring that any delay would result in more casualties".[38] Three days later, he stated that if pro-Gaddafi forces reached Benghazi, then they would kill "half a million" people. He stated, "If there is no no-fly zone imposed on Gaddafi's regime, and his ships are not checked, we will have a catastrophe in Libya."[39]
10 March 2011: France recognized the Libyan NTC as the legitimate government of Libya soon after Sarkozy met with them in Paris. This meeting was arranged by Bernard-Henri Lévy.[55]
11 March 2011: Cameron joined forces with Sarkozy after Sarkozy demanded immediate action from international community for a no-fly zone against air attacks by Gaddafi.[56]
12 March 2011: Nine out of the twenty-two Arab League members "called on the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya in a bid to protect civilians from air attack".[46][47][48][57] The Arab League's request was announced by Omani Foreign MinisterYusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah, who stated that all member states present at the meeting agreed with the proposal.[46] On 12 March, thousands of Libyan women marched in the streets of the rebel-held town of Benghazi, calling for the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya.[40]
14 March 2011: In Paris at the Élysée Palace, before the summit with the G8 Minister for Foreign Affairs, Sarkozy, who is also the president of the G8, along with French Foreign Minister Alain Juppé met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and impressed her upon to push for intervention in Libya

15 March 2011: A resolution for a no-fly zone was proposed by Nawaf Salam, Lebanon's Ambassador to the UN. The resolution was immediately backed by France and the United Kingdom.[59]
17 March 2011: The UN Security Council, acting under the authority of Chapter VII of the UN Charter, approved a no-fly zone by a vote of ten in favour, zero against, and five abstentions, via United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. The five abstentions were: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and Germany.[49][50][51][60][61] Less than twenty-four hours later, Libya announced that it would halt all military operations in response to the UN Security Council resolution.[62][63]
18 March 2011: The Libyan foreign minister, Moussa Koussa, said that he had declared a ceasefire, attributing the UN resolution.[64] However, artillery shelling on Misrata and Ajdabiya continued, and government soldiers continued approaching Benghazi.[19][65] Government troops and tanks entered the city on 19 March.[66] Artillery and mortars were also fired into the city.[67] US President Barack Obama held a meeting with eighteen senior lawmakers at the White House on the afternoon of 18 March[68]

19 March 2011: French[69] forces began the military intervention in Libya, later joined by coalition forces with strikes against armoured units south of Benghazi and attacks on Libyan air-defence systems, as UN Security Council Resolution 1973 called for using "all necessary means" to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas from attack, imposed a no-fly zone, and called for an immediate and with-standing cease-fire, while also strengthening travel bans on members of the regime, arms embargoes, and asset freezes.[18]
21 March 2011: Obama sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.[70]
24 March 2011: In telephone negotiations, French foreign minister Alain Juppé conceded to let NATO take over all military operations on 29 March at the latest, allowing Turkey to veto strikes on Gaddafi ground forces from that point forward.[71] Later reports stated that NATO would take over enforcement of the no-fly zone and the arms embargo, but discussions were still under way about whether NATO would take over the protection of civilians mission. Turkey reportedly wanted the power to veto airstrikes, while France wanted to prevent Turkey from having such a veto.[

25 March 2011: NATO Allied Joint Force Command in Naples took command of the no-fly zone over Libya and combined it with the ongoing arms embargo operation under the name Operation Unified Protector.[74]
28 March 2011: Obama addressed the American people on Libya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

 

More republicans will go on welfare I suspect.

 

Sorry guy, war is war, and I just don't oppose it when it's politically expedient to do so.

 

Sorry guy, war is war, and I just don't oppose it when it's politically expedient to do so. And, if you read your own source, the UN resolution concerned enforcing no fly zones, not full scale military operations across Libya.

 

Thanks for posting that Watchman! I knew a lot of it, but did NOT know a lot of it too! Now you have me wishing I was 20 years old and ready to join the revolution! Makes "1984" look like a walk in the park!

I found it most interesting that the coverage was from "liberal", "conservative" and "libertarian" sources alike. Maybe even we on this forum, as much as we disagree, can all agree that the REAL threat to our freedom is our own government.

 

There is nothing we could do. IF he wins, we simply have to live another 4 years suffering under his lack of leadership. We can only hope in that case that we keep the House, maybe a stronger majority and possibly take over the Senate. That will keep him from doing a lot of the things HE wants to do.......unless he wants to continue operating under Executive Orders and dictatorship style tactics. He claims now he would work WITH the Republicans and compromise. He's said that before: I do not believe it for one moment. He's someone that has smugly said, "Elections have consequences," and he's not one to work with anyone of the other side from HIS point of view.

I would simply pray a lot more for my country who is already hurting.

 

he didn't just try, he succeeded. there's 50,000 troops still there as "advisers". how long? we're still in Japan and Germany.

 

I do graphic design....wanna start a business?

 

This does not change the fact that Presidents do not control the price of Gas.

The credit markets were frozen .. do you know what this means ? It does not get worse than that.

You obviously have no clue about economics if you think that inflation accounted for over a 100% rise in the Dow from 2009 to present.

If you are going to respond to a post you should at least try and answer the question .. which was about Jobs ?!

 

WOW----To sum it up in just a few paragraphs is remarkable-between yourself & the "Gifted one"s posts,tells everyone pretty much what they need to know as far as educating the voters to the truth----
By the amount of GOP'S(especially older people,(men)) coming into my city's Democratic Headquarters( in which I am the manager,so I'm there every day)changing from GOP to Democrat,when asked why they are changing their party affiliation, part of their response is " it is not the same party as it was,it is way to radical now". So,when I read your line about the gop's being hijacked by the far right lunitic fringe,you could not be telling a more truthful statement. OBAMA 21012

 

I will say, "shoo! We just avoided that depression and war". Now lets focus on keeping Obama from doing anything harmful for the next 4 years. And make sure Republicans don't just stop every bill like they have been, some great bills are getting voted down in this immature stonewall everything congress.

 

If Obama wins, the economy will improve, remain the same, or get worse, followed by getting better, then remaining the same, then maybe getting better or worse.

If Romney wins, the economy will improve, remain the same, or get worse, followed by getting better, then remaining the same, then maybe getting better or worse.

If Obama or Romney win, the next day, an unobserved asteroid might crash into the moon, exploding it into many smaller orbiting moons. Or nothing at all will happen. Some 2000 motorists across America, will crash their car, regardless who wins, just as a normal routine day finishes.

 

This is a great thread because it opens the door for the paranoid to expose themselves as the irrational creatures they are. But here is what everyone is missing: When Obama wins reelection, the GOP will crucify its nominee for running a poor campaign, making too many gaffes, or for screwing everything up at the debates - somehow they will find a way to eat their own. Then there will be much infighting as the legacy conservatives chase the whackadoos away with pitchforks, and the whackadoos will attempt to form their own party (I'm guessing they'll call it the TEA party). Meanwhile, the GOP core will regroup, reorganize, and devise an exercise plan to slim Chris Christie down to a svelte 190lbs. He'll join the other Republican A-listers (none of whom ran this year) in making a respectable run in 2016, at which time the Democrats will be caught with their pants down because America is STILL not interested in a President Hillary. The TEA party will also field a candidate, but no one will notice.

Beyond the 2016 election my crystal ball gets too cloudy. Or maybe that's just volcanic ash from a catastrophic apocalyptic event.

 

Republicans will treat Obama the same way Democrats treated GWB when he was reelected. They will sandbag him.

What's more important is that tens of millions of Republicans may give up on the United States and detach their emotions from the political regime that began in 1789.