What's more uplifting/inspirational..being pro life or pro death?

Do you think the moment a woman gives birth to a new baby girl or boy would be more uplifting/inspirational than the moment a woman gets her bloody fetus sucked out of her via the abortion route?

Just as a casual observer, I would think that the pro life woman would have a better chance of living a happy and fulfilled life knowing that she had a healthy new baby in which to share that life with.

On the other hand, I would think that the woman who caved into whatever pressure she was under to have them abort/murder her baby-to-be would have a world of problems awaiting her throughout her life. Assuming the woman avoided the easy way out via suicide, she would still undoubtedly be besieged with a whole lot of emotional problems--least of which would be guilt, stress (PTSD) and just plain feeling inadequate in performing any and all run-of-the-mill life tasks.

 

One, women don't have abortions in order to be "inspiring." I doubt women have babies in order to be inspiring either. Two, women make up their own minds to have abortions. Whatever pressure is exerted on women, it is still her decision. There is vastly more pressure on women to give birth, however, you don't seem to think that kind of pressure is such a bad thing. Three, having abortions does not result in guilt, stress, PTSD, or emotional problems, the most common feeling women report following abortion is RELIEF.

 

Well, I wouldn't know because I cannot ask each INDIVIDUAL woman to express her feelings.

Your post is flawed from the start because you, like so many Anti-Choice/Anti-Women folks , think all women are like cattle that think alike... you don't believe they are individuals with different thoughts.......and they are....

Now this may shock and horrify you BUT women approach any decisions in different ways, each has a seperate life experience, differnet levels of IQ and education, seperate personalities....in other words they are HUMANS.....not cattle ,and until you can see the difference you really shouldn't treat them like they are because then your argument is weak at best...

 

What is more uplifting/inspirational being for freedom of choice or state sanctioned control

 

Thanks for being so bold as to answer my question right up front. Okay, you're admitting that a woman getting an abortion is in no way doing it to be inspirational or as for an uplifting life experience.

Wow, you're saying that the woman or in many cases the teenibopper is under no pressure when deciding to abort/murder her offspring? I can't even begin to make sense of that lack of understanding of the human psyche. And there is more pressure for a woman in giving birth then there is for a woman taking a life? Wow, someone here is living in an interplanetary universe, and it sure ain't me. Women who do abort surely end up with one or more type of emotional problem. How can a woman who has been carrying a child for several months not get attached to it? Once you get attached to another life, the most emotionally draining action to be realized by the woman would be if and or when someone squeezes the life out of it. Perhaps they didn't go over this in Psycology 101, or perhaps you never had the opportunity to take Psyche 101, whatever.

 

Little in life can be considered "inspiring", so women aren't obligated to provide you or anyone else with "uplifting life experiences." We all just do what we have to do to get by.

Can you read? I did not say no women EVER were under no pressure, but I did say that ultimately the decision is hers. You're wrong about the emotional problems. Women most commonly report feeling relief. Studies have shown that women having abortions are no more likely than women not having abortions to have mental problems. When women have early term abortions, they are not yet "attached" to the "life", they become attached during the pregnancy, however, and that is why women do not choose to have late-term abortions.

 

You have obviously never heard of postpartum depression then, would you be surprised to hear it is around 950,000 women who suffer it every year in the US alone, with 1 in every 1000 woman who give birth suffering from postpartum psychosis, The symptoms include hallucinations, delusions, and quick mood swings. Essentially, women with postpartum psychosis lose touch with reality. And they are at an extremely high risk for suicide and for infanticide.

 

Is it not the case that for those 1 in every 1000 women who do suffer from postpartum psychosis do so as a temporary condition? My overriding point here is that perhaps 9 in 10 of those women receiving abortions suffer from a variety of emotional conditions from a chronic (long lasting) term--perhaps for the rest of their lives. There is no comparison.

 

Women don't suffer from emotional conditions from abortions.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...esnt-raise-mental-illness-risk[/B]/51762674/1
LONDON – Abortion does not increase a woman's chance of developing mental health problems, according to the largest study ever to investigate the issue.

They concluded the best predictor of whether women would have a psychiatric problem after an abortion was whether they had mental health issues before getting pregnant.
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Among women with unwanted pregnancies, those who had abortions were no more likely to suffer from problems including anxiety or depression than women who gave birth, the research review by the U.K.'s National Collaborating Centre for Mental Health found.

 

Therein lies the answer. Its been my contention all along that perhaps 100% of the wymin receiving abortions have had mental issues going in. This whole idea of murdering one's offspring goes against human nature and common sense, so those who are willing participants in the destruction of human life have to be suffering from some sort of mental abnormalty. Whatever mental problems they had before going into the abortion mill, could only be elevated when coming out after going through that traumatic experience. For instance, does PTSD ring a bell, or ring a loose brain nerve ending of sorts?

 

""""Its been my contention all along that perhaps 100% of the wymin receiving abortions have had mental issues going in""""


"Contentions" don't count...facts do.

Why did you spell women, "wymin"





""""""This whole idea of murdering one's offspring goes against human nature and common sense"""""

Murdering offspring has gone on for thousands of years so it must be some part of human nature....and it has nothing to do with abortion....


Whatever mental problems they had before having a baby , could only be elevated when coming out after going through that traumatic experience.

 

Depnds on your sense of direction. If you think down is up, anything death-centered appears to be uplifting.

 

It is only a temporary condition if diagnosed and treated and can take up to 12 months to "cure", even then half of the women who have had postpartum psychosis will have further episodes in their life regardless if they have more children or not.

Much the same can be said about PAS (post abortion syndrome), and to dispel further your theory of perhaps 9 in 10 women suffering from a variety of emotional conditions after abortion;

"The relationship between induced abortion and mental health is an area of political controversy. Expert groups have found no scientific evidence of a causal relationship between abortion and poor mental health. For women with unplanned pregnancies, the risk of mental-health problems is equal whether they carry the pregnancy to term or undergo an abortion. Pre-existing factors in a woman's life, such as emotional attachment to the pregnancy, lack of social support, pre-existing psychiatric illness, and conservative views on abortion increase the likelihood of experiencing negative feelings after an abortion.
In 1990, the American Psychological Association (APA) found that "severe negative reactions [after abortion] are rare and are in line with those following other normal life stresses." The APA updated its findings in August 2008 to account for new evidence, and again concluded that termination of a first unplanned pregnancy did not increase the risk of mental-health problems. The data for multiple abortions were more equivocal, as the same factors that predispose a woman to multiple unwanted pregnancies may also predispose her to mental health difficulties. A 2008 systematic review of the medical literature on abortion and mental health found that high-quality studies consistently showed few or no mental-health consequences of abortion, while poor-quality studies were more likely to report negative consequences. In December 2011, the U.K. National Collaborating Centre for Mental Health published a systematic review of available evidence, similarly concluding that abortion did not increase the risk of mental-health problems."

Sources -
http://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/index.aspx
http://www.contraceptionjournal.org/article/S0010-7824(08)00369-7/abstract
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/248/4951/41
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953608001676
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2135437?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101720567351
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/health/research/13brfs-ABORTIONDOES_BRF.html?_r=0
http://journals.lww.com/practicalps...=2003&issue=03000&article=00005&type=abstract

 

Hogwash. Women who are crazy are driven there by men, not by abortions.

http://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/mental-health.pdf

The best scientific evidence published indicates that
among adult women who have an unplanned pregnancy
the relative risk of mental health problems is no greater
if they have a single elective first-trimester abortion than
if they deliver that pregnancy. The evidence regarding
the relative mental health risks associated with multiple
abortions is more equivocal. Positive associations observed between multiple abortions and poorer mental
health may be linked to co-occurring risks that predispose a woman to both multiple unwanted pregnancies
and mental health problems.

 

The most uplifting thing is to be an old angry white racist who thinks Martin Luther King Jr. "started the race riots in the 60s".

 

Odd how those who want to enslave women to produce unwanted life are by and large so very keen to take it away from the victims when they are no longer babies, isn't it?

 

What does it matter how or who drove these women crazy? The fact remains that about 100% of these teens or wymin getting abortions either had mental issues going in or they certainly had them coming out.

 

No one is pro death.

Your question is a biased nonstarter.

 

It has been proved that women do not have "mental issues" as a result of abortion. PROVED. Provide some evidence to the contrary or accept it. It is not largely women who already have "mental issues" who choose abortion. Kids can drive women crazy, men can drive women crazy, but abortion does not drive women crazy.

 

Perhaps we could soften up the terminology for you touchy feely types by calling it euthanasia for the unwanted.

 

So is this like

Would you rather life Free or a slave because haveing a choice (Pro-choice) is haveing the option of having a baby or aborting a baby or being a slave because masters (Pro-Life) people tell you, You MUST have the baby?

I would think haveing a master to dictate what you do would be bad wouldnt it.

 

Well, when you're right, you're right.

But I had to do a double take though.

Humans are individuals, but can tend to have cattle like tendencies. This is not symptomatic of sex either. Whether or not they choose to act like a cow or not remains largely up to them.

 

Hogwash indeed. Women cannot be driven crazy by men, nor men by women. Insanity is largely optional. Barring a biologically based pathology. Not the magic pseudo science/false priesthood of psychology.

 

This sounds suspiciously like the equally retarded "the devil made me do it argument". Nobody has control over your mind except you. Insisting another does is crap and nullifies personal responsibility.

 

Have you ever studied psychology in any way shape or form? Have you heard of emotional and mental abuse? These things can be inflicted upon a person by another thus literally driving them crazy.

Ever heard of stockholm syndrome? Ever heard of gaslighting? People do not inflict these things on themselves, they are caused by outside sources/people.

Here are some outside factors that can cause mental illness.

http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/mental-health-causes-mental-illness