When Chauvin is acquitted...

An officer who trained Derek Chauvin on techniques he could use to subdue suspects testified Tuesday that the neck restraint he used on George Floyd was not authorized because Floyd was already handcuffed and under control.

Lt. Johnny Mercil, who oversees the Minneapolis department’s training on use of force and other defensive tactics, said that at the time of Floyd’s death on May 25, officers were permitted to restrain suspects by applying pressure to the side of a person’s neck to gain compliance, but only if they were actively resisting and if other techniques had not worked.

Prosecutor Steve Schleicher showed Mercil a still taken from bystander video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck and asked if Chauvin was performing “a MPD-trained neck restraint.”

“No, sir,” Mercil replied. He said that “knee-on-the-neck is something that might happen” as officers try to gain control of suspects but said the act should stop when a person is no longer actively resisting.

 

We shall both see, soon enough.

 

An independent autopsy ordered by Floyd’s family ruled Floyd’s death a homicide. The two doctors who conducted the autopsy concluded that Floyd died of asphyxiation, or suffocation.

The Hennepin County medical examiner’s office also ruled that Floyd died in a homicide. But it said the cause of his death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law-enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression," which occurred while Floyd was being "restrained."
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...utopsy-doesnt-say-george-floyd-died-overdose/

 

Because it could result in an accident.

Chauvan and Floyd already knew each other from previous encounters.

They demanded that they stop using it. You can't stop something that was not being used.

 

Previously : a knee on the neck can be used if the suspect is actively resisting. Once not actively resisting the knee must be removed
Now : Knee is never to be used

See the difference?

 

That's rarely stopped other suspects being taken to the station while they are thrashing around in the back of the patrol car or van

 

Sure. Might as well take off their handcuffs also since they are no longer resisting.

This tends to be a pattern. In nearly every case where the suspect died in police custody, it was preceded by the suspect resisting. The violence escalates from there. The solution is surprisingly simple. Obey their orders and don't resist. Once that resistance starts taking place, they are claiming it is up to the officer make one hundred percent correct actions.

But, I notice that I am finally making some headway. Previously, it was claimed that the knee on the neck was not allowed at all. Now it is down to using it too long.

 

Who claimed that?

 

He was removed from the car so that a van equipped to handle his thrashing around could be used for transport. The van had not yet arrived.

 

Go back and read this thread. Obviously, you have not.

 

Not you; the response was to a post by Rahl.

 

Hmmm.. when you say things like "great shape", I doubt you have any credible evidence then of it. Do you suppose his multiple maladies, his drug fueled incoherency, his obvious agitation was a demonstration of his "greatness"? That's kind of disturbing. You want to believe in the narrative. Simple as that. And your confirmation need requires you to view the evidence through that lens.

Two things. The police were trained (which the prosecutor in the opening lies about fyi) to use the technique. And, the coroner report demonstrates that there was no physical evidence that what the officer did, while applying the training caused the death. The death was caused by the overdose of Fentanyl, Oxy, Meth, and other drugs. The heart stopped because his body couldn't handle the abuse Floyd himself inflicted on himself. And because of his choices, he put how many other folks at risk because of his disease? Was he not also COVID positive at the time? Who's lives did he threaten just by his being in public, and bleating for 30 odd minutes? Using the language of the covid natzis wasn't this a prime example of a super spreader event?

The DA is a hack. He knowingly lied in his opening, He mischaracterizes events because if you view the entirety of the event, his narrative entirely breaks down, and if you only focus on some cherry picked pieces to draw your picture, the picture is entirely incomplete. The defense understands this, and will shred the DA's narrative here. The facts will end up undermining the approach of the DA, and he likely already knows this. And yet, he's still willing to subject the nation to his circus because he believes in his future political aspirations. I have no doubt that the left wing news are entirely invested in ensuring that divisive racial hate continue to run freely in our nation because they believe in the long run it will make them money. That is the unholy alliance this case has produced. I doubt you actually want justice here. I haven't yet seen you, or anyone else on the left posting here take any kind of responsibility for your own rhetoric surrounding these events. Nor likely will you.

So, as you say, a just society must punish severely folks who abuse their power. I offer you the DA, and the left wing media. Punish away.

 

Reality doesn't give a **** about what you think. No department, anywhere in the US, including MPD, teaches officers to kneel on the neck of a handcuffed and face down suspect laying on the pavement for 9 minutes, 3 of which he was unconscious. not a single department.

 

Posted this already

 

Reality remains regardless of your attempt to demonize a murder victim. We have video evidence of the murder. We have the autopsy showing the knee contributed to his death.

 

There are numerous videos, from various angles showing murder.

 

While I don't think it's a slam dunk he will be acquitted, there's a pretty good chance of it, and if it does happen, the city will burn, likely worse than anything we've seen to date.

 

I've noticed that the black community sees the arrest of a black person for anything as a racist act by racist police, except for occasions where the victims are black and they want protection from another black.
Despite massive efforts to bring black people into the mainstream, of society, endless misrepresentations of social realities designed to encourage them- the worst racists in America today, the place where systemic racism thrives and is nourished- IS the black community. America's best black citizens pay the price for what those like the BLM do; acting like thugs and extortionists who try to blame every inconvenience of a black life, every consequence of their own choices or behavior into a racially motivated deprivation of their entitlement or rights. The more we accommodate that, the worse it gets.

 

No, but you are clearly trying to ignore the facts. Brava.

 

Since I was the person who posted the actual autopsy, and It clearly says there were no physical signs of mechanical strangulation (Asphyxia) your post is factually incorrect, and I provided the evidence that you failed to either read or understand. So, yes, the evidence is there for all to see, you simply ignored it, didn't you.

 

None whatsoever they do not show murder

 

Sorry that you have these delusions. It must suck.

 

There is no mention of race in it. You are out of touch.

 

I also had posted the autopsy and can't understand what he calls the autopsy.

They have made several claims. (Democrats)
1. Choked
2. Arteries plugged
Seems the Examiner found evidence to support your claims and not his.

 

You are entitled to believe anything you want. However, what you choose to believe does not determine facts, and if you ignore facts- you lie to yourself for your own convenience.
You ignore the drugs, clearly lab-proven facts in the autopsy.
You ignore the pre-restraint conduct of Floyd, clearly evident in video- "I can't breathe, I'm gonna die-"
You ignore the fact that the procedure is textbook and has been used thousand of times before.
You ignore the role of the massive political pressure and intimidation that is in fact the driving element in this entire case- and has nothing to do with the physical facts or the pursuit of justice, except to distort them.

So you have selected certain elements of the reported stories, then filtered and interpreted them to support what you claim to believe. You have manufactured your own production of this story- it's your story, inspired loosely by the reality, but with a message that has little relationship to it. It is your reality, not the genuine one. Deal with the real one for a change.