A question: Lets say that Obama was conceived in Idaho, and born in Kenya. Is he a citizen of the US or Kenya?
He would be considered a citizen of Kenya .. but if either of his parents were american he could claim dual citizenship or even renounce his Kenya one.
He would be a citizen of Kenya since that is where he would have been born. Although I am pretty sure he was born in Hawaii. lol
I think I see your point as it relates to abortion and what happens when.....but it's earlyAM....I'll check back later...
According to Anti-Choice/Anti-Women folks he'd be an American....no matter where he was born. If someone is conceived in an airplane flying around the world and the parents are too preoccupied to note what country they're flying over how do they determine which country the child is a citizen of ?
Cut the crap.. Kenya did not have an international airport until the 1970s and it would have taken five days of flying to get from Kenya to Hawaii.. Further, women were NOT allowed to fly long distances after the 7th month of pregnancy. This is so bloody tiresome... and stupid.
Who cares? He was born in Hawaii. His citizenship is in question only among those who never wanted him to be a US citizen.
I think it's a hypothetical. lol In fact I know what the point of it is too. Conservatives don't like Obama and have been claiming he is not a natural born citizen for a while now and want him out of office. However those same people are also very much against abortion and believe a fetus is a person at conception, so if that's the the case they would have a conflict here. While they may want Obama out of office based on where they think he was born they also have to realize if they think we are citizens at conception then Obama would be a US citizen because he was conceived here. It's pretty thought provoking. Haha!
Just because someone does not have citizenship status does not mean it is okay to violate their human rights. Besides, a person is automatically a citizen when both their parents are also citizens, regardless of where they are born.
Dear god. The question is so simple. If life begins at conception, would someone conceived in X country be a citizen? Or does birth determine that? Why birth over conception?
The nationality of the airline - - - Updated - - - Because in most countries, if not all, you are not a legal entity until birth.
So....the answer to this paradox is kill the baby? Pretty damn stupid if you ask me. who cares what nation hes a citizen of, he would be alive and enjoying life.. sort out that other junk later...
I agree. I don't think the question was asked by a birther, but it was a subtle and clever way to demonstrate the silliness of "personhood at the time of conception."
Doesn't say anything about using the government to deprive people of control over their bodies. Oops! - - - Updated - - - No. Re-read it. Answer the question.
No the answer is, if as you believe, personhood should be given at the moment of conception then where ever a person is conceived would be their nationality. So if a person is conceived in the UK, but the pregnant mother then moves to the US any anti-abortion law would not restrict her from getting an abortion, the fetus would not be of American nationality and therefore not "protected" by the constitution or the law granting personhood at conception .. unless of course you are alluding that ALL countries should fall under American law.
Well as I said make sure the baby is okay and safe then sort out the other junk later. doesnt matter to me, you can grant someone personhood and not citizenship. just like we dont grant people under 18 the right to vote. for the unborn we dont have to give them citizenship but at the same time give them the right to be born. personally i dont care about that crap as long as the baby is born and can live his or her life
That wasn't the question, so stop trying to deflect. What does the constitution say about the Citizen ship of an individual? What does the constitution say about conception?
However those minors are still citizens. So is citizenship granted at conception? Why not just grant it at conception? Why strip someone the rights in citizenship until they are born?
As I said, I dont care lol... However it's easier to give someone citizenship at birth because sometimes its impossible to know exactly when they were conceived. But I don't care you can get duel citizenship or revoke your first citizenship so it doesnt matter in the slightest. conception or birth doesnt matter as long as the child isnt killed i could care less about the logistics
