White supremacists are trying to cause chaos during the current protests

Anytime "George Soros" is mentioned, the mentioner has lost the discussion.

 

Let's see the documents, skippy. Really? Can't you do better?

 

So according to you I apparently don't know what structural racism means.

But I don't intend to let you avoid the significant issue: black unemployment in the US IS double that of white, with consequent higher poverty rates, and the resentment caused by that reality.

And of course in Australia's case, the aboriginals are experiencing the pain of the dislocation/absorption of their culture, amid general confusion of issues of culture and race.
The hunter-gatherer way of life has disappeared forever (except in some isolated out-back places), but aboriginals are not ready to let go of their culture.

The solution, in part, to their pain is a guarantee of above poverty employment in the modern post industrial economy.

 

Of course you did. You know very well Soros funds destabilization of countries.

You do know how George Soros makes his money, don't you?

But who do you think is financing the riots?

 

You know how Trump and the Koch brothers make their money? Or the Hunts? Or Soros?

What a silly butt digression by the alt right, which means because it is not true.

 

Nobody is financing the riots. Antifa is TAKING ADVANTAGE OF the riots, by making them worse or by starting riots at peaceful demonstrations.

Antifa is financed by right-wingers, none of whom ever go close to them.

 

At this point, it's become more of a religious tenet (at least in the US) than an actual sociological or statistical finding, so an answer like "everyone knows" is about as good as it's going to get.

 

As predicted, you actually gave a worse answer than "everyone knows" to the question of structural racism.

What I agree to is that the police screwed up and created a murder out of what should have been a simple arrest. The police did behave badly. However Blacks are not the only unarmed suspects being killed by police. It's a glorious rainbow coalition of victims, with whites by far the largest group. It's simply that the media only shows you the ones that they want you to see, and like a good consumer, you lap it up and form the opinions they issue you on this, like "structural racism"

If only unarmed Blacks were being killed by the police, you might have a point worth pursuing, but they're not.

 

That's the best off the wall conspiracy theory I've heard all week!

 

Even thugs and thieves have cars.

That post was before I read the news about organized white supremacists posing as antifa and inciting the rioting and looting. I still think that many were apolitical opprtunists, not organized.

 

If I were to treat your sensationalist view seriously then this dialogue will find itself in another cross-talking heap of the brown stuff. You do not appear to understand the difference between what is being referred to as "structural racism" and the growing pains of giving and taking.

 

It's true. Many modern problems are so extremely complicated that the average citizen has no hope of understanding how it works and how it can be adjusted but this fact doesn't deter him from putting in his two cents. And when he comes up against logic, knowledge, or just another unqualified opinion his best response is "I'm right. You're wrong. Everybody knows!"

 

Antifa isn't organized. They're thugs (in the real sense) hired by right-wing hate groups and/or individuals to find/follow incipient riots and/or peaceful demonstrations for leftist causes, They then try to turn the demonstration into a riot or make the riot worse.

They started back when Trump was first elected to discredit the anti-Trump demonstrations that sprang up then

 

Classic White Nationalists don't participate in misguided protests for minorities. They are generally against the systemic discrimination against whites. And they don't riot and loot. Consequently, the op doesn't make sense. So I'm not buying it.

 

White nationalists often see themselves as revolutionaries. Revolutionaries are always on the lookout to advance their cause by fair means or foul and turning a legitimate protest against the killing of a black into an illegal riot would seem to do just that.

 

My understanding is that the OP agrees with you.

 

It is what it is.

 

You've mixed up left and right again.

 

Black supremacists are trying to cause chaos during the current protests

 

Some may be, Poohbear, yes, but the white supremies are hard at work.

 

Care to give YOUR definition of "structural racism"?

"Growing pains of giving and taking"? Over a period of 400 years, beginning with slavery!

Poor Marie Antionette paid heavily for her indifference to said "growing pains" in her own country.

Notice how you cannot, indeed refuse to address the issue of entrenched economic disadvantage of blacks, (eg unemployment rates double that of whites) which is at the base of the current riots and protests.

Nor can you address the causes of poverty in general; your world view prevents you from even beginning to attempt an explanation, beyond "growing pains". I could wish Marie's fate on those who exhibit such casual indifference to those experiencing the pain.

 

Black supremacism is a REACTION to white supremacism which regards blacks as inferior. Guess from which side the demands for segregation ORIGINALLY came from. And who originally carried out the egregious mob-led lynchings.

Hence you - like Mike, Thing, and others with your self-possessed world view - are incapable seeing the systemic economic disadvantage at the base of the protests and riots.

 

The OP is about white supremacists not white nationalists. I presume there is a difference.

 

So...you just tolerate entrenched black economic disadvantage, because "it is what it is"?
Unacceptable, given the consequences for law and order in the entire nation that we are currently observing.

I have a better idea, since government CAN fix it.

Here are some clues. (post #105)
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re "all the preferential treatment" (for blacks)...…..If black unemployment is stuck at double the rate of white unemployment, long term, then that "preferential treatment" is ineffective, by definition.

Now, the solution requires eliminating entrenched BLACK long-term unemployment (as well as eliminating long-term (intergenerational) WHITE unemployment; all systemic poverty represents a systemic failure of economic policy).

And that requires changing the current neoliberal orthodoxy which falsely insists price control can only be achieved through a certain level of mandated unemployment, expressed in the NAIRU concept.

Hence, while white supremacism IS a real and present danger to community cohesion; and white supremacists might be trying to turn protests into riots for their own ends, the real CAUSE of the protests and riots is the current neoliberal system with its built-in mandated unemployment, as well as actual race-based discrimination in society.

So government must eliminate the 'welfare/poverty industry' (which is a failure, as noted above), and instead Implement a Job Guarantee.

www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mmt-overcoming-the-political-divide.569365/

Or maybe you have some ideas, to eliminate the 'welfare/poverty industry'?

Note: our friend LafayetteBis - like all orthodox neoliberal economists - thinks we only need to tax the wealthy more, in order to be able to spend more on education....but that was Bernie's explicit policy - and was rejected by economically-illiterate citizens, in favour of 'no-plan-to-fix-it' Joe.....

 

OK. Define "structural racism".

[Obviously you think it has no relationship to entrenched economic disadvantage, as in " You are living on poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison" ….(famously said by you know who in the 2016 US campaign)].

So far so good. The image of that 75 year-old white guy walking toward police and being pushed so hard that he fell onto the road, is as sickening as the knee on Floyd's neck.

What are you banging on about now? The protests are about police brutality against blacks. Is police brutality against whites an equal problem in the US? And if so, what is the cause of all this police brutality?

Nah...I was already aghast by the treatment the 75 year-old white guy.

The real problem is your world view which prevents you from recognising and understanding the effects of systemic poverty, guaranteeing violent police reaction to protests and rioting that naturally follow systemic poverty (whether race-based as in the current protests, or not). …"'Dominate' the terrorists" says the dear 'Leader'.

If only unarmed Blacks were being killed by the police, you might have a point worth pursuing, but they're not.[/QUOTE]

A nice excuse to avoid the real issues.