White supremacists are trying to cause chaos during the current protests

Folks, this is CLASSIC Coward-Piven strategy following Communist / Marxist playbooks......

"Blame your enemy for that which you are guilty"

Communists are literally stealing America, and Americans are STILL doing nothing.

 

Actually, my friend, Rush Limbaugh does that every. single. day on his program. Just listen.

 

Do you believe the police causing Floyd's death were all white, all supremacists, and tasked to murder/harras black people?

This is the reason I am avoiding the chicanery of sensaltionalism you seemed to be fond of.

Because the population were subject to structural racism against white people?

As I said ..... you do not understand the implications of "structural racism".

Your lack of understanding the progression of civilization puts you at a disadvantage and you are now (with these last two sentences of yours) going off into the wild blue yonder.

 

What is really unsettling is that they look they are twin brothers

 

Charles Manson is having no effect this go 'round.jk

 

Not all "black" is "systemically" disadvantaged. Indian blacks are doing just fine.
"Systemic disadvantage" against Japanese, Chinese and Jews was shrugged
off by these people as they climbed the economic ladder. In Africa systemic
disadvantage against whites goes largely unreported.

 

No. But You still haven't defined "structural racism".

The reason for what exactly: the "growing pains" (during progress of civilisation) or the fact of the nation's economic foundation on black slavery in the US?

No, because they were subject to economic injustice tolerated, if not enforced, by the aristocracy (for which the latter paid horribly). (The King was advised by a trusted economic adviser to raise taxes on the aristocracy, but the conservative view swayed the King, resulting in catastrophe)

But you still need to define "structural racism".

And this is the THIRD time I have asked YOU to define "structural racism". It's becoming obvious why you don't want to do so.

My lack of understanding of the progression of civilisation? (Note: I have a mental image of a black man at the point of a gun being shackled in chains, as you write that sentence above).

Fact: at a time when our modern highly productive post industrial AI, IT and robot-enabled economies CAN eradicate poverty, it should be done. Stop hiding behind a dysfunctional, obsolete neoliberal system.

"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison..." (DJ Trump)

At least he recognised the problem....and he asked those people to vote for him....

 

Indigenous Indians who are living in poverty aren't doing just fine. Blacks living in poverty aren't doing fine, (neither are whites living in poverty but their poverty rates are much lower than black poverty) as recognised by Trump himself (in the 2016 US campaign:

"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison..." (DJ Trump)

Over a period of thousands of years, when economic scarcity was a reality. The most able became the ruling class. But at this time in history, our modern highly productive AI, IT, and robot assisted economies have eliminated ANY need for systemic (perenial) poverty.

While white poverty rates are orders of magnitude lower than black poverty rates.

 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-06/george-floyd-washington-dc-protest

 

There's your problem .... your imagination ..... and that's what I have been trying to tell you but you think by talking about unrelated, exaggerated, and sensationalist issues it will cloud my judgement as much as it has clouded yours. My judgement is clear. Yours is muddled.

 

No, no difference whatsoever. Neither for the purposes of the discussion here, (since both see themselves as revolutionaries) nor in actual objective fact. (since the only real reason given to separate the races is that one is superior and any mixing would just "pollute" the "master")

 

On the contrary, you are still in denial.

Those pictures show white men forced into work gangs by virtue of being prisoners of war. That condition of being thus enslaved was erased when the war was won (after less than a decade).

Not at all comparable with more technologically advanced Europeans raiding the African coasts and enslaving - at the point of a gun - the less technologically advanced local inhabitants - with social effects that would persist for centuries.

See who is confused?

And you are still lacking the intellectual integrity to define " structural racism".

 

OK . But blimey, I don't know how you got to deciding that Antifa is "alt right"....when antifa is against poverty and discrimination, while alt right by definition discriminates against those who don't hold their own ideology.

btw can you describe "alt right" beliefs (as I have described Antifa)?

 

“I sense an energy, a pressure for real substantive change,” said Father Patrick Keyser, an Episcopal priest who welcomed demonstrators outside St. John’s. “Not to say it will be easy.”
There were numerous “Dump Trump” signs, and organizers promoting voter registration. But there was also widespread cynicism that voting seems not to have improved the plight of many black Americans".

That's because the majority of the population believe there is no alternative (TINA) to the current neoliberal economic system.
Hence, after 8 years of Obama, followed by 4 years of Trump, not much has changed since Trump made this election pitch in 2016:

"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison..." (DJ Trump).

 

Government can't even fix itself. It can only throw money at things and money rarely fixes the things it thinks it will. I promise you a smaller federal government has a chance to do positive things. Growing government has only made it worse. If you had lived through the 40's and 50's you would understand that we have made huge strides as a society in terms of race relations. It is a painful and slow process but "it is what it is."

There is no such thing as systemic racism. Our systems have no racism. Government can't fix them. There are racists and there will always be racists. But there are far fewer than there were before the civil rights movement. Throwing money at the problem won't change the minds of racists. Only time and education will do that. It is what it is.

 

And antifa doesn't discriminate against its ideological enemies? Are you hiding from reality in a closet somewhere?

 

Yes. I deny structural and systematic racism in the U.S. If you call that "denial" that's fine with me. what is believing that crap called ..... "delusion"?

????? Really ????? Does "chain gang" ring any bells with you? No, I thought not.

Yes! I most certainly do. >

 

Why do YOU think the two lowest socio economic groups are native Americans and Afro Americans
who were former slaves?

 

Antifa is only ostensibly against poverty and discrimination and only purportedly even leftists. They are almost entirely a "false flag" sort of organization. They exist mainly to discredit any sort of leftist demonstration by trying to make it as violent as possible

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-blamed-in-us-protest-violence-idUSKBN23C2R1

Alt.right beliefs are strongly authoritarian and fascist - racist. That is, they are very extremely nationalistic to the extent they believe the importance of the state overrides any other consideration, particularly individualistic liberty and they believe the state itself is defined by the dominant race or ethnicity of its people. They believe the natural heathland of the "Aryan" people of the US, Germany, and the British Isles is the Northern European and North American continents

 

Well they tried impeaching trump but you lot kept him in

 

Cant you see the irony? MANY Blacks riot (looting, smashing etc..) SOME whites (like 0.00001%)
try to take advantage of the situation and we say, quote, "White supremacists are trying to cause
chaos during the current protests."

Blacks and friends are quote "current protest"
Whites are, quote, "causing chaos."

 

OK so now we know you don't think structural racism exists.

So, what about entrenched economic disadvantage, given that black unemployment rates are double that of whites in the US.

Positing black economic disadvantage as "painful growing" displays an indifference to unnecessary pain, which is one thing.

But the other thing is: time is running out for your self-satisfied indifference.

As the placards are saying: "No justice - no peace" and "White silence is white violence".

So...still in denial, refusing to acknowledge that which even Trump acknowledged:

"You (meaning blacks) are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison..." (DJ Trump)

Capice?

Still incapable of seeing the difference between chain gangs of criminals, and chain gangs of black men who had committed no crime.....

Explain why your chain gangs are in chains.......

 

A nice excuse to avoid the real issues.

You used the term "structural racism" first, but now oddly, want me to define it. That tells me that you have a very-specific-to-you definition outside of the common usage. So why don't you give me your definition so I don't have to play guessing games for several pages of posts about what you are talking about. That seems a specialty of yours but I'm far less interested now so try, against every instinct, to be succinct.

 

The great thing about PF is that it's not a twitter echo chamber. You have to defend your stance.

"Many blacks rioting" ......and 10's of thousands peacefully protesting today (Sunday) in Washington. Huge numbers of whites among them.

White supremacists stoking violence? Well I would never have guessed it, They are known to be such peace-loving people!

No, the claim was "white supremacists" .

You are on the losing side at last. Trump's call to use the army against US citizens has dismayed many non-partisans.

 

Actually you will recall I started with the term entrenched race-based disadvantage, and later adopted the term "structural racism" from thingamabob.

Turns out he doesn't think "structural racism" exists.

You obviously don't think it exists either, so no need to define it. Fine. Moving right on:

Obviously entrenched race-based economic disadvantage does exist, as in " You (ie blacks) are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison" ….(famously said by you know who in the 2016 US campaign)].

Poverty for which you are incapable of, or indifferent, to offer a solution. Probably both.

"White silence is white violence".