Who killed Skripal?

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Who killed Skripal?

  1. Russia

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    50.0%
  2. Great Britain

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    8.3%
  3. Third unknown side

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    12.5%
  4. That is an unclear story, I don't know

    4 vote(s)
    16.7%
  5. Other

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    12.5%
  1. st256

    st256 Banned

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    What do think about it?
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia obviously, the murder weapon proves guilt as well as motive
     
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    Could you describe

    1) the motive. Why did Russia kill such person? Why didn't Russia kill Suvorov or Gordievsky? They are not hiding absolutely.
    2) Why Russia used precisely this murder weapon. Do you think Russia have no a different drug to sent anybody to his forefathers? Don't you believe that exactly murder weapon looks very dubiously? I'd say obviously it looks as a provocation of British secret services. By the way, the USA has such poison officially. Did you know that?
     
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    But in the world that we live in, how can it be obvious? Would it have been just as obvious if Operation Northwoods had been agreed to by JFK? That when we had a drone airliner blown up by Cuba, as we would be told, that Cuba did it? Yes, back then the american people would have believed our CIA that Cuba did it. Have we gotten more honest as a nation since JFK's era? I don't think anyone with a living brain cell would agree to that.

    So exactly how can it be obvious? In fact, the quickness used to blame russia is a bit suspect.
     
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    Russia poisoned him and they didn't give a ****.
    After their previous poisoning in the UK, they knew nothing would come of it.

    They weren't trying to hide who did it, they were sending a message. Loud and clear.

    Message received.
     
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    OK, we did it. But why we killed only this minor moron? We could kill someone more important.

    P.S. You can't explain why there are no any evidences of the Russian involvement. But I am not surprised. I'm tired to ask about it. Persons like you never say something sensible. Mantras only. Ladies don't move. Americans don't think.
     
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    I do not seek to second guess your motives.If you wish to confess your reasons, be my guest.
    It is not your reasons that concern me. It is your actions.

    Regardless of your motives, your actions create re-actions.
    You are dangerous, it is to be respected. I must contain your threat.

    I do not care why you did what you did.
    Only that you you afford me the same respect.
    I am dangerous. I will be respected.
     
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    The use of Novichok is the equivalent of finding your gun at the murder scene with your fingerprints on it and on the bullet, and having a motive on top of this. I believe it's up to Russia to prove it's innocence.

     
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    Russia can no more prove it's innocence than Britain can prove Russia's guilt.

    Playground discussion.

    "Prove it". Child's talk.


    Accept it. Deal with it.
     
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    I would think they just might need the evidence which Mays used to convict them, right? As far as I know, the UK had refused to give the nation they accuse any of that evidence. And if that does not look suspect, something is not firing in the gray matter, IMO.

    It isn't like russia are the only people that have this toxin, right? We have heard from years ago some suitcase nukes may have come up missing during the great changes in the USSR when they were imploding.

    So, the UK needs to show the evidence. But we had several gas attacks in syria, blamed on assad, at key moments in that civil war, and no independent investigation, just accusations. I see a pattern here. But then after paying attention to my gov't for many decades they have proven to me that the People cannot always trust what they tell us. They will lie to us. Hell, our own intel heads have been caught lying to congress!! If they will lie to congress, clearly they have never had a problem with lying to the People...done in our names of course!!

    And so my skepticism is warranted and called for. Completely logical and reasonable. Whereas those who believe in what a gov't tells you are the losers here. Lost their damned minds.
     
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    Where was prince Charles?
     
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    well if Russia was framed then it's your own fault for creating a "signature" chemical weapon that can be used to frame you. The framing scenario is far fetched anyway, but if that is indeed the case you're just going to have to suck it up for creating and stockpiling Novichok. Which brings me to the next issue, shouldn't the west be inspecting your laboratories for biochemicals & stockpiles... there are international laws against biochemical weapons such as Novichok you know. We need to make sure Russia comply.
     
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    That is a decent argument. And worth consideration. But it also begs questions...

    So given the geopolitics, what message is russia sending to the UK? And why would they send it? What would cause russia to send the message? In reaction to what? Anything, or just being evil? Satanic.

    Russia is being portrayed as some dark, evil force, and yet I cannot see the justification for this. And so, it is propaganda. Might even be evil propaganda. You know, lies, fabrications, accusations, spin. The demonization of another leader, nation, is a classic propaganda tactic to be used on a population. The people you want to mold. And obviously it works.
     
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    It wasn't sending any message to the UK.
    The message it was sending was domestic. If you are a traitor, we will get you. No matter where you try and hide.

    Implicit in this message is Russia doesn't give a **** about the UK response.
    Message received and understood.

    Time to flex some muscle. We are going to kill some Russians now.
    Earn their respect.
     
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    Do I have to confess??? What did I do???
    Tell me at last what I did, please! ...a strange guy.. he say much and nothing at the same time...
    It's too smart for me... For what actions do you charge Russia? Though I asked that already...
    And what do we did? Sorry, I asked you again. It seems, this theme is painfull for you and you don't want to touch it...
     
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    Why?
    Do you know that Russia NEVER developed a poison with such name? It's the name of a poison from the English series.
    Do you know that a substance, you name Novichok is synthesized in USA? They had admitted it officially.
    Do you know, that Britain has this substance too, because they have an antidote? It is not possible to create an antidote without a poison.
    Thum there are evidences that Britain did it, not Russia.
    And motive... As I understand you can't explain why we poisoned Scripal?
    I believe you kill Canady. If you don't agree, you have to prove your innocence.
     
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    Really? I was sure before that Russia has no duty to prove something. If Britain accuse Russia then Britain mush give evidences. Do you forget about presumption of innocence? Or it's for white people only?
     
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    Well according to the presumptions of our prime minister and the Foreign Secretary, Russia most likely did it; then subsequently they overwhelmingly did it; but subsequent to that, only most likely did it. So with all that conjecture, I can't quite decide if Russia did it or not?? :eyepopping: So give me some evidence then I'll vote.
     
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    Who's Canady... did I kill the canary or are you referring to Kennedy.

    Re your bullet points;
    yes they did
    yes I knew the US made it
    No I didn't know the Brits had it
    ha ha ha for Britain did it
    of course I can explain the motive... let me just.... (bite crunch) ok he was a double agent, been locked up in Russia and along with three others were exchanged for 10 sleeper agents, why would you think I wouldn't know it's been all over the news, I don't live in a cave.
     
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    To me the proof is in the spectacular way they killed him, causing an international incident to make sure the message is loud and clear. Anyone else would have arranged an accident
     
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    BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT, DO WE??? Nobody knows it, including Theresa May and Boris Johnson?? Jeeeeez!! :wall: I just wish you'd answered my simple and perfectly straightforward question, then my BP wouldn't have hit the ceiling.
     
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    You killed both.
    If they have an antidote then they must have poison. Or you know other way to develope the antidote? So it seems Brits have the "Novichok". Probably they took it at a chemic lab of Porton Down (near Solsbury)
    Everybody who had killed the canary and Kennedy says in this manner. It's like fingerprints on body of victims.
    - Did you kill the canary?
    - Ha!
    - Did you kill Kennedy?
    - Ha ha ha!
    Do you really believe I think you admit your guilt? Ha!
    And? Where is a motive? We could kill him just at the prison. Why just now? Why just him? Or... the killer is you! Because of it you write any nonsense here trying to divert suspicion.
     
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    Yes I'm fully aware of the fact to make an antidote you need the poison, same with immunisations... no need for sarcasm, what I didn't know is that the Brits had it, never even heard of Novichok until you Russians decided Britain looks like a good place to use it.

    I don't have a motive for the canary but I think Superman did it (I have photo evidence vvv), but when Kennedy died I wasn't born yet, not even a glimmer in my dad's eye.

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    Let's find out how high it can go Cerb... your BP, there are fun ways to go about it I won't have to make you angry :lol:
     
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    One or two of your avatars have made that happen, Witchy!! But you shouldn't provoke me, you naughty girl. [​IMG]
     

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