Who Rules the United States?

Yes no doubt these are opponents of the pragmatism of trump, and his plans on carrying out a change of directions domestically and in foreign policy. But there is another force, which exerts its power on the legislatures. The force which thrives off of perpetual war for perpetual peace. The men who get enriched more when our CIA sends in the economic hit men, then if the ruler resists, they send in the jackals. The same force which gave us free trade globalization, which is primarily only serving them. We have allowed the self interests of these men to trump the interests of this sovereign nation, thanks to the same politicians who rely upon these men to finance their campaigns.

Trump is making these men, this force nervous, for he doesn't sound like a globalist. And he seems to want to deal with Russia, which a cash cow if we get a cold war going. We gotta have Russia as an enemy, got to turn putin into someone like hitler. For that is gold in them thar cold war hills.

 

What amuses me is that it was the Obama administration that vetted the heck out of those Muslims per their own words.

They claim the Muslims were severely vetted by Obama and were not in need of more vetting.

Funny innit how it was okay to vet muslims so long as Obama was president?

So, if there was no need to vet Muslims, why did Obama vet the heck out of them?

 

Had you said, amirite?? I would say yes indeed you arite.

Those who hold power do not simply walk off mumbling as they kick beer cans down the road, they remain and fight. They organized their friends to fight. The students whom do not get it, fight for the alleged elites. i see them not so much as the elites, but the wielders of actual government authority. When you or I visit the DMV as to state offices, we never meet the boss. The boss may hate how the workers operate but due to how hard it is to fire workers, the workers do what they want to do.

 

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

This statement was true in the 18th century is is doubly true today. The international financiers own the banks (making money funding both sides of any wars and the debt of nations), they own the defense contractors (who profit from war), the media (who spreads fear and touts war maintaining the high military spend rate), the drug companies, the food conglomerates and so on.

And yes these folks have considerable influence over all levels of Government. It was not for nothing that Hillary gets paid $250,000 for a 15 minute speech at a bankers luncheon. It is called payback for a job well done. It is a pay to play system.

I call it the Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion Monster. Every time there is a tax law or regulation made the Oligopolies have a seat at the table (and perhaps they have a right to be there). The problem is that the person who is supposed to be representing the interests of average Joe is either influence by or in the pocket of the Oligopoly.

They do not win ever table but, over time, table after table, the rules of the game are skewed in favor of the Oligopolies. Price fixing and anti competitive practices are the rule. We have laws on the books that are supposed to protect ave Joe but these are seldom enforced. Fair and free markets in the US are a figment of the imagination.

Recent examples of absurd mergers are Dow/Dupont and the GE/Baker. These should never be allowed.

Make it into congress and insider trading becomes legal, one can sit on a committee (or have a buddy who does) and invest in the company before the news hits the street. This is a license to print money "I want in on that game"

Sure there is a lone voice or two that stand up from time to time calling out this practice. Everyone then points to this fellow and says "Look Look" we have freedom of speech in this country. That lone voice is then quickly drowned out by the cacophony on the take. To be honest, I would not be the one running against a herd of stampeding bulls either - I would not be the one to shoot the goose that lays the golden egg.

This is not some star chamber or some cabal (although this does exist in a loose kind of way), it is the natural outcropping of self interest and greed.

Trump is the first guy in a long time to make in anywhere near Congress or the white house without being in the pocket of various interests.

This will not make much of a difference because most everyone else in Congress is ! A few voices do not matter in the grand scheme of things. Trump is ruled by self interest and Greed in any case (and a big time elitist) so the establishment puppet masters will have him dancing on cue in very short order.

 

Correct. And we elected the man to drain the swamp of federal malfeasance and politically correct buffoons in spite of millions of illegal voters, quite a coup.

 

Maybe...but I believe he may have too much pride for that. He also likes to win.

 

Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...0-spies-say-isis-intelligence-was-cooked.html
Sep 09, 2015(*)· ... some of which were briefed to President Obama, ... The complaints allege that in some cases key elements of intelligence reports were removed, ...

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Obama administration and ISIS intelligence
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-administration-and-isis-intelligence-2015-9
Sep 11, 2015(*)· President Obama's chief intelligence official is in "frequent and unusual contact" with the military officer at ... orders to change intelligence reports.

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Manipulating intelligence not smart
http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/11736240-74/intelligence-operatives-trump
... Obama's presidency, U.S. intelligence ... intelligence reports prepared by operatives and agents were being manipulated and changed by senior Obama ...

 

Trump has already caved. Pride or no pride. How else do you explain the banning travel from 7 Muslim nations, on the basis of keeping the US secure from terrorists, but leaving the biggest state sponsor and propagator of terrorism off the list ? (Saudi Arabia). Pakistan and Albania also missed the list.

It is not Iran that funded the 911 terrorists - that would be Saud, which is the reason for US citizens wanting to be able to sue them. Don't think that court battle is over yet .. we will see how it pans out under Trump.

Al Qaeda are not Shia who follow some kind of ideology promoted by Iran. The ideology of Al Qaeda is the Saudi inspired extremist Salafi Islamist ideology.

A few more groups you may have heard of that follow the same ideology are: Taliban, Al Nusra, ISIS, Islamic Front, Muslim Brotherhood, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab and various others that follow the same Saudi inspired Salafi Jihadist ideology.

This is a country that teaches its children to hate Christians and Jews as part of the school curriculum. This is a country that has exporting this hateful ideology all over the world. This is a country that arms and finances the aforementioned groups.

Yet .. somehow they did not make the list. At the end of the day Trump decided not to run against a herd of stampeding bulls. He is very new to the office and it was the smart thing to do so early on. One must pick ones battle and this is one that Trump clearly lost... Pride or no pride.

The reason Saud did not make the list is because they are part of the establishment . At least for the moment.

 

As I understand it he's selected those countries because they all have known terrorist training camps? That makes sense to me! If the next atrocity in the US is committed by a terrorist known to have arrived from, for instance, Sudan, how would that make you feel? Especially if one of your family were to be among the casualties??

 

What you are all missing is that it is the leftists who want to basically enslave out country again. They want an all powerful government to take all of our freedom away from us. They tax the hell and regulate the hell out of our private businesses so that they take their jobs to friendlier countries, and this is just fine with the leftists. Less jobs, the more that the people are dependent on the government, enslaved by the government.

They control the schools so that our education standards have slipped from the best in the world to something like twenty eighth now.

And what they do to minorities is hideous. They cram them into small inner city crime ridden neighborhoods and then come up with slogans and rants to make sure that our police forces can’t go into those areas and arrest the criminals. They want to import even more criminals from around the world, make sure they stay here, so that their solid voting blocks remain controlled, enslaved!

Now we have someone who is trying to change their tight control over their voting blocks. Give them school choice, arrest and deport the criminals who and literally killing a few of their trapped voting block members every day. The left is up in arms to make sure that their voting blocks do not get a decent education and job opportunities!

 

Couldn't have said it better myself...

Still & all, watch out for lizard folk...

 

Limited protection b****.
No business injects money into political campaigns without expecting something in return.The politicians are in their pockets and will do what they are told.

 

Stories like that are increasingly common. There was another happened in the eastern foothills of the Rockies. A family buys a few acres of land and starts to build a house. When the materials are being delivered the weight of one of the trucks causes a culvert to collapse. The homeowner contacts the county and the county says they can fix it but they are so backlogged that it will be six month at least until they can get to it. County also tells him if he wants to fix it himself, they'd have no objection. One should note this culvert is part of the county drainage system it only has water in it when it rains or there is significant snow melt higher up in the mountains. It is dry most of the year. So the family makes the repairs and then the EPA comes in and tells them to restore the supposed wetland they destroyed. It goes to court the EPA loses bigly, but continues to harass the family until they finally give up and leave.

 

Each and every word you've stated within the post is correct. However, what you've failed to mention is that the past six former presidents have done the same. Certainly they are part of the "Deep State" establishment.

 

Government first was intended to assist in making us all as free as possible. Today we are so bound by regulations and law the founders would get extremely angry Democrats messed things up to this point.

Democrats won't like me saying this but they have been in charge or able to block since 1933. Presidents matter less than who runs the congress. I have posted the new regulations video many times showing it graphically how less free we have got since 1950. When FDR shows up, those freedoms commenced to dropping radically.

Take Randy Weaver for instance. Who cared if he owned or sold cut off shotguns. It would never impact me or you. But due to that gun regulation, people lost their lives.

 

I agree with the countries on the list ... its the countries that are not that is the problem. The entire country of Saudi Arabia is a terrorist training camp. Pakistan and Afghanistan are similar.

People are radicalized over the internet. Do you not think it might be a good idea to address the ideology that is the root cause people to wake up in the morning and decide to blow themselves up on the basis of holy Jihad ?

The mainstream media - which includes the BBC which is a total sell-out - has not said anything about the ideology that is driving these people to do what they do. What is up with that ?

 

One way to insure you are LESS FREE...

...is to be totally free.

The libertarians or Libertarians looking for as much personal freedom as possible...

...are actually striving for as little freedom as possible.

Only by constraining everyone can we maximize our freedom.

 

Nice series of statements. It still doesn't look like an argument though. Try making the font bigger.

 

I agree with this analysis of how things are in D.C.

The politicians, the bureaucrats, the lobbyists, and the CEOs all know each other. Many of them have transitioned from one of those categories to the other over the years. There are relationships that have been built up over decades. Everyone does favors for everyone. All of them are heavily invested in the system and keeping the status quo.

This "second government" will resist change. It will not come easy.

 

I suppose I could make it very big...and you still wouldn't get it.

Chaos is chaos...not freedom.

But...to the ungrateful who have more freedom than most people who have ever lived on the planet...I suppose they still do not have enough.

Whatever.

 

You're making strong claims about counterfactual scenarios. If I told you that my magic key-chain is keeping the tigers off the roof, you would expect me to offer some kind of evidence or argument to justify such an outlandish claim. Likewise, when you float that Hobbesian nonsense about top-down government changing human nature to such an extent that we wouldn't even recognize ourselves without it, I want you to back it up with argument or evidence, or stop spouting such nonsense.

Also, libertarians don't want total freedom. What you describe as libertarianism is something nobody holds to.

 

No, as a matter of fact, I am NOT. If anything, I have spoken of the issue in a "most favorable outcome" way.

I'd tell you to wrap the claims in the evidence...and shove both up your...

...well, shove both.

I see the problem now. You have mistaken me for someone who gives a rat's ass about what YOU want.

Yeah...and the check is in the mail.

Be thankful for the freedoms you have now, Max. The jackass in the White House, along with that cadre of advisors he has, have in mind to take lots of it away during the next several years.

 

Then you just up the ante and still offer no argument.

You know, man, that Hobbesian (*)(*)(*)(*) really is for people who are completely - how should we say? - "out to lunch". There are other ways to try and defend statism that are much less embarrassing to watch.

 

Don't watch or read my posts if you get embarrassed to be told that most Donald Trump supporters are fools. There is no requirement that you do.

And ANYONE who thinks that Donald Trump is in this game for anything other than self-interests is more than a fool...that person is a naive fool.

I've known some rich people in my life. I'll tell you what they have in common: The all want to be richer.

Seek out the richest person on this planet...and what that person wants to do is to widen the gap between him/her and the next richest.

Donald Trump supporters, for the most part...are chumps.

People who think he is going to change the political and social environment for the positive...are somewhere below that.

Anyway, Max, I hope you do not give up...not use the silly excuse that it is embarrassing to read what I have to say. I hope you stick around for a long time. I am truly enjoying my discussion with you.

 

A better example of Orwellian double speak could never be found.