Whoopi Goldberg blamed Colin Powell death on unvaccinated

Vaccines have traditionally protected everyone from the subject disease...from small pox to typhus to typhoid to whooping cough to measles and more... what's wrong with the China Virus vaccine that it doesn't work the same way?

 

Almost.
The covid vaccine was developed to deal with the original virus from Wuhan. It was able to make you immune for +95%. That other 5% was left for the unlucky as in people who already got poor immune systems from natural causes or artificial causes (as in chemo therapy and organ donation medication etc)

The Delta variation from India is not the same. I heard somewhere it causes you to have a heck of a lot more virus particles in your body.... hence it's more contagious, hence it's more deadly,... hence having the same amount of anti-bodies makes a lot more not immune. And so, the anti-bodies still do a lot,.. as in making you far less sick and not likely to die. That's probably also the reason we're not developing a better vaccine. There is simply no profit in it to make it, since this one does it's work good enough.

In the end, that's what the governments find the most attractive about it. Lots of people not getting really sick and not dying, is a way that the care other people need in hospitals can go forth / people remain economically more productive.. things combined good PR for re-elections.

 

I don't know how many other ways I can say it but vaccines have nothing to do with transmission and infection. Nothing. If you want to reduce the spread you need to stay away from infected people. Vaccines give the immune system a head start in defeating the infection when it arrives. That is a good thing. No amount of misinformation is going to change that. If you don't want a vaccine, that is fine. Just don't try to rationalize your fear with misinformation. It doesn't help anybody. It doesn't even help you.

 

Because it is a corona virus like influenza. It is a manufactured form of influenza. Corona viruses replicate and mutate faster than the small pox virus. The corona viruses are regular seasonal visitors no matter what we do. Typhus is not a viral infection. It is bacterial. That is a completely different situation.

 

I'm not exactly sure that covid kills anyone. I believe the people who die while positive for covid die from other complications. Since it attacks the lungs, pneumonia is a common cause of death for covid positive people. Powell likely died while positive for covid rather than from covid. On the plus side, he lived a long and very successful life.

 

So much for humor...

 

There is no scientific evidence about that. Infected people are spreading virus before the symptoms. That essentially means that vaccinated people more dangerous.

 

As the left shouldn't be spreading misinformation about the vaccines and mask wearing. Both sides need to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth, not just the agenda a particular side is trying to push.

 

We need to stick with medical science. Neither the government, the media or the public is doing that. I read rafts of garbage unrelated to medical science.

 

Another thread about celebrities posted by someone who thinks the opinions of celebrities don't matter.

 

Why do celebrity opinions count more than anyone else's? Or are you saying celebrity opinions are as valuable as anyone else's?

 

The opposite is true. Since the vaccines help the immune system prepare for an infection, the antibodies will begin dealing with virus earlier and faster than the immune system of un-vaccinated people. Given a similar viral load, an un-vaccinated person will transmit more virus than one who is vaccinated. Your comment is misinformation.

 

I sort of liked that but with caveats.

1. Medical science is conflicting. Even when it evolves, different medical science disagrees with other medical science at the very same evolved times. So, which science do you listen to? The science that fits the agenda you believe in. Professionals with degrees are having their licenses taken away because they have differing opinions, even when those very same people are part of the medical science themselves.

2. Medical science is ALWAYS behind the times, just as technology is. What they know now makes the information from a few months ago obsolete and what we know now will be obsolete just a few months from now. Science usually always proves science is wrong. This virus is fast changing and evolving far faster then the knowledge we learn, which was already behind the times as it was. We are going to have a hard time defeating this virus if we keep on waiting for the hard science which will be far behind the science the virus uses, which is well ahead of the hard science we use.

 

Sorry for no link, but months ago at least one test showed the inoculated to carry 251 times the viral load of a regular person. There is a reason most of the sick people in the hospital today have taken the clot shots.

 

They don't. The only celebrities we hear about are those who say something outlandish to gain more attention. How can you possibly listen to people who make their livings by running their mouths all the time?

 

Celebrities - actors, performers, etc - are just people who have a specific job. They have as much right to an opinion as anyone else, and just as much right to express it. Of course their thoughts are published because of the public nature of their job, and are often revered simply because of that job. But is that the fault of the celebrity?

 

An actor, performer etc are indeed as entitled to have an opinion on anything and concomitantly should be as ignored as most of use are. What always got to me was how John Houseman use to come on telling us who we should bank with. He wasn't a lawyer, he just played one on tv why should we care who he thought "earned" their money?

 

It does prevent infection in the vast majority of recipients. For an undetermined time period of ar least several months.

 

Agreed. Their opinions should be no more revered than anyone else's. But I do believe there is a wonderful place in hell awaiting those celebs who endorse products for money if they haven't done their due diligence or use it themselves.

 

I see what you did there ... well played sir ...

 

There is a vaccine that can protect people like Powell. It’s being withheld from them even though it has passed phase 3 trials the same as the vaccines available.

 

Here is a description of viral load.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-vi...mply the amount of,have different viral loads.

If you have questions you want answers to that are based on actual science and evidence I’m happy to answer them. Most of what you will read on PF is not based on evidence.

The following is NOT the definition of viral load.

 

I've already spent waaaaay too much much time worrying about the China Virus... time to concentrate on more important things.

 

I completely understand!

 

Medical science is just like all other sciences. Science explains observable or measurable phenomena to start a long chain of changing evidence, evolving experiments, and debates. It is an endless process for the most part. Nevertheless there is always a current state of the science and that is the medical science to which I referred.

Recently a surgical team was able to replace a bad kidney on a cadaver that was on life support with the kidney of a pig. It was successful. The pig kidney worked and even produced some urine. Nobody in medical science would have expected that a few years ago. Evolving experimentation.

Yes as I said above. But there is always a current state of the science as I said above. The particular problem with some viral infections like covid is that they face constant mutation resulting in frequent new strains. It isn't that medical science is behind with viral infections. It is that some of the infections have always been this way. We haven't conquered influenza as you know and it was developed from the SARS virus, a corona virus.