Why are people who describe themselves as "Progressives" in favor of Hamas and Iran?

not true. It is safe to criticize Israel. Did you know that the Arabs are the invaders? They took the land by force during the Muslim conquests.

 

Oh brother! Yeah, when it comes to the Middle East you can see the region is cursed because control of those lands has changed multiple times, but for issues that we are discussing today, this began in 1948 AD. No need to go pre-Biblical, although if you are a White Christian Nationalist I can see how you might feel differently.

 

Please...

Rome took the region before there was anything called Islam.
Rome tossed the Jews out of the region

Rome left Judea around 120 CE. 60 years after the diaspora.
Before the Jews there were other peoples...
therefore, by your logic, the Jews are invaders, twice.

 

The only suggestion is that Israel surrender since most of the world dislikes or at best has a love-hate relation with Jewry.

 

Enlighten me. Many would love to do it. Perhaps a "smart bomb" that can distinguish?

 

It's not dishonest.What is progressive about Iran as an Islamic Republic? Women, gays, and even dogs had more rights under the Shah than under the mullahs.

 

I'm a lib and I don't know any libs in favor of Hamas or Iran.

Being for the lives of Palestinians, especially children, does not equal supporting Hamas so your thread is disingenuous.

 

'So' does does equal 'so what'. At the beginning of a sentence, it usually mean 'in conclusion', or 'continuing the conversation', like that.

For 'so' to equal 'so what' it would have to be a rhetorical question 'So?', alone, by itself, which is merely a shortened version of 'So what?', a rhetorical question meaning, essentially, 'who cares' or BFD, etc.

 

The thread is disingenuous, given that being for the lives of Palestinians, especially children, does not equal supporting Hamas. The poster made no effort to make this distinction.

 

That's rich, given that the real authoritarian is Trump, who engaged in......

1. Challenging Election Results: Trump repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of the 2020 election results, undermining confidence in the democratic process1.
2. Attacks on Basic Democratic Principles: His attacks on democratic norms and institutions raised concerns about the health of American democracy2.
3. Disregard for Established Systems: Trump’s statements like “I have an Article II, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president” demonstrated a willingness to bypass established rules3.
4. Encouraging Violence: He made statements suggesting violence against those who commit crimes, such as “if you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot” 3.
5. Denying Legitimacy of Political Opponents: Trump consistently delegitimized opponents, labeling them as “communists,” “Marxists,” or “radical left thugs” 3.
6. Stifling Civil Liberties: His administration took actions that limited civil liberties, including restrictions on media access and freedom of speech4.

https://theconversation.com/preside...laybook-will-have-lasting-consequences-150895

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/0...book-for-2025-and-what-it-means-for-democracy

https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-po...nald-trump-authoritarian-how-democracy-778425

 

It is hatred of the US system. "An enemy of yours is a friend of mine."
These are largely unemployed losers, and college students burning through student loans hoping responsibility never catches up with them.

 

Memo to self: Do not sneak attack Israel again. They fight back. Don't believe that "turn the other cheek crap". Plus, the Muslim religion makes it the worst sin in the world to not kill a Jews.
Plus, we only do a brit milah, they take the whole brain.

 

Bad idea.

 

Those who care so much about Palestinian civilians should be calling for Hamas to throw down their weapons, release their hostages and unconditionally surrender.

 

No doubt about that. It should not only be a Western country that has to "stop the war."

 

Democrats are in lock step with Chinese foreign policy interests. China is in favor of Palestinian terror. Palestinian terror creates the inroads China needs to become influential in the region. Obviously, they are currently supplying arms and weapons systems. The democratic party stopped being "progressive" long ago in their flight to authoritarian and tyrannical instead.

 

The corrupt FBI and CIA rigged the election by lying about Hunter's laptop. He has the same Free Speech right to state his views on the election as the rest of us. Some Democrats have claimed that every Republican president was illegitimately elected since Ike Eisenhower and you never said squat.

The trouble with Authoritarian Leftists is that they are pretending that Free Speech that they do not want spoken is a "crime".

There are no elected officials on the Right trying to compel speech.
There are no elected officials on the Right suppressing legitimate free speech.
There are no officials on the Right trying to ballot strip.
There are no elected officials on the Right trying to illegitimate strip political opponents of assets.
There are no elected officials on the Right trying to jail the opponent that is leading them in the polls.

There are some real sick puppies on the Left. Why the Left Won't Condemn the October 7 Rapes

'Columbia University is awash in protest, students are denying, defending, or even celebrating the actual rape and sexual torture of Israeli women.'

You can deny that everyone is getting a clearer fix on some of the left, all you want, but it will not change the facts.

 

Typical prog, pure projection

 

from a Trumpinista?

 

Who?

Please provide actual examples of "people who describe themselves as 'Progressives' or 'Liberals'" being "in favor of Hamas and Iran."

Are these like the people who describe themselves as conservatives who are in favor of Putin?

 

Progressives are motivated chiefly by their hatred for Western civilization. Israel is a shining example of what Western civilization can achieve where there was previously a third world dump.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about

Oh BS, it's well known that Trump tried to block criticism on his Twitter acct.
But, there is nothing that spells encouraging free speech like a president saying "the press is the enemy of the people" so your point is hollow.

That's because there is no one on the left who engaged in insurrection, and thus violated section 3 of the 14th amendment.

that's because there is no one on the left that defrauded the government on the scale that Trump did.

That's because there are no criminals on the left that there are on the right, noting that polls are irrelevant

What radical students do, they've always been doing. when they grow up, their views become moderated, that's proof of nothing.

That situation is far too complex to deal with here, your narrative lacks context, and scholarship.

AS for voter suppression, the right will win that pissing context, every time:

https://www.amazon.com/Rigged-Suppression-Playbook-Jeffrey-Wright/dp/B07PXD6BQF

 

I think I have an answer to my own question; "progressives" like something if it is bad, such as 9/11 or October 7, happens to a productive, prosperous country. If those countries act to prevent further such acts, that is oppression. The attackers expect to be fed and subsidized by the affluent countries. They can't stop biting the hands that feed them.

 

That's fake news.

 

Irony Alert!