Why Are Progressives Afraid....

You mean other than passing health care reform that resulted in coverage for over 10 million people who didn't have it before? Or passing financial reform legislation to prevent "too big to fail" banks from crippling our economy again?

 

And tens of millions don't want Socialized medicine. So you fail once again.

 

Most of the country wants Medicare for all. Deal with it.

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Do you mean expanding the health insurance market for the insurance companies while not dealing with cost control? Do you also mean Dodd Frank, the pathetic piece of legislation designed to tell wall street to "knock it off!"? The banks are even larger now than they were when he took office. Please educate yourself before commenting.

 

Regulation involves ensuring health and safety and adherence to laws, it does not involve limiting the free purchase of goods and services. ACA is NOT a regulation it is government control of what should be a free market. Even the name itself (Affordable Care Act) represents a manipulation of the free market.

Highways were built to ensure better and free access across the country, ACA does not do any of that.

 

There is nothing in the ACA that helps get us on track to medicare for all.

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That is un-affordable and a very bad idea. Medicare works well for the aging part the country it cannot possibly cover 300 million individuals.

Cost control in a free market is decided by competition. The government does have a role in stopping monopolies that thwart competition. When government goes on to actually control a market then, the government is the monopoly.

 

I'm educated just fine. Sorry if he didn't do things far enough for you. I'd have preferred making Medicare available to all myself. But passing health care reform for the first time in decades was a major accomplishment that has benefited millions by providing coverage they didn't have. Some banks may be larger but they are more regulated and must have greater reserves.

Thanks to Obama's efforts, millions held onto their jobs that otherwise would have lost them, people got FICA tax breaks and unemployment benefits much longer than they would have and we've seen a marginal increase of taxes on the wealthiest.

If you think Bernie Sanders is going to get into office and pass his left wing proposals with a Republican controlled Congress, you're the one who needs to educate yourself before commenting.

 

Stock markets are high, corporate earnings are at record highs yet the working class citizens paycheck never seems to rise. So there was no hope and change ? Rich get richer , poor get poorer no matter who controls the ship.

 

If the Government had an interest in breaking up monopolies, we would institute Bernie sanders plan to break up the big banks. The government and private sector work together to benefit the donors and the wealthy class.

Medicare works for the aging population, it can work for every citizen. Forget premium payments and dealing with insurance companies. It can be done, and it has been done.

 

Because he's black.

 

To the contrary, Medicare delivers health care at a much more cost effective basis than private insurance. Medicare already covers about 40% of all hospitalizations and medical procedures. It does so with expenditures that equate to about 20% of total health care cost. Of course it could cover the other 60%. And at a much lower cost.

That's great when you have and informed consumer making rational decisions with the ability to choose alternative.

When your being rushed to the hospital with a heart attack, you're not making rational decisions and shopping for the best deal. Free markets break down in that situation.

 

Why?

Nov 2010:
Republicans Win House Majority, ...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/poll-closing-key-east-coast-races-balance-power-line.html

 

The democrat party is poisoned. The republican party is poisoned. None of them are doing anything with the best interests of the country in mind. None of them. Term limits will solve the corruption of the ruling class.

 

You have no proof of that
I hope you're not try to deflect by using the race card

 

Obama didn't even TRY to get Medicare for all. He didn't even try. Look it up, he said it was "off the table" because all he cares about it compromise. Some banks? They are ALL larger, and more too big to fail than before. This is a fact. We are in danger.

There you go, tax breaks are NOT what people needed. We needed investments to create jobs, not more tax cuts.

I don't think Bernie will get everything done, but he will at least try, unlike Obama. He gave this country away to Republicans for nearly 8 years with his compromise before the debate even starts attitude. It's quite sickening.

Obama's record;

Drone wars
Continue mass incarceration and the drugs war
Continue failed middle east policy of intervention
Take medicare for all off the table
Give Israel more weapons of war to continue occupying territory
Made banks larger than before 2008 with weak "regulation" as an excuse
Made Bush tax cuts for the wealthy PERMANENT.
Supports TPP to ship MORE jobs overseas.

....should I continue? Are you proud of this legacy?

 

With the slimmest of margins in the Senate (remember, the Dems never had a 60 set majority, but only if you added in a couple independents, and even then the had that 60 seat position only about 1/3 of the term between Jan 2009 and Jan 2011) going for broker on a single payor would in all likelihood have resulted in a complete failure like the last time it was tried. It was a strategic move which is understandable.

Disagree. Those FICA cut put money into the pockets of people who needed it most and spent it in the economy.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. There was and are trillions of dollars sitting in cash for investment. What we didn't have is demand for expansion to justify the investment. Obama proposed jobs programs numerous times and was blocked by the Republicans.

And you're telling me Bernie is going to do better?

I doubt Bernie will get anything done.

When you don't control the Congress, it's either that or nothing.

Obama's record;

o Economy that was tanking at a -9% rate and shedding 700,000+ jobs a month turned around
o a record 72 straight months of private sector employment growth.
o 125% increase in the stock markets since taking office
o More than halved the deficit in 4 years.
o Initial unemployment claims drop to lowest level since 1973
o Got Osama bin Laden.
o Saved 2-3 million jobs with stimulus package
o First decrease in spending in a year in decades - 3 times.
o Stock markets up 170% since bottom of the recession in 2009
o Over 14 million additional private sector jobs created since Jan 2010
o Oil production increasing for the first time in decades.

Sure, I'd be proud of that. Should I continue?

 

I would rather get nothing done, than to get a compromise with Republicans that is BAD for the country. You are SUCH a neoliberal it's not even funny. How does the stock market help average people? It doesn't, aside from helping peoples retirement which should NOT BE GAMBLED in the stock market.

If Obama has done so well, why has the wage gap between rich and poor grown even worse? Why are we still spending billions on the military industrial complex? You support fracking and oil drilling on our land?

You can like Obama, just admit he is a conservative and you will at least be consistent. Do NOT pretend he is of the left.

 

You post like so many on this board implies you do not understand how government works
the president has limitations
Remember the executive branch only have certain powers
The republicans that controlled the house of representatives did everything they could to obstruct any progress made by the president
It is unfortunate that you and so many people in this country are not smart enough to realize
The conservative republicans have done everything they can to stop this president from anything good for this country or the economy

So the president has accomplished a lot and has been a very good administrator
When you realize
republicans that control Congress had done everything they could to ruin the country
So that the president would not accomplish anything good

 

I understand all of that. I am telling liberals that Obama is NOT one of them. He himself, without obstruction, has pushed for disastrous, regressive policies and appointed pathetic people to his cabinet.

 

Bernie Sanders is not a democrat
he is a independent
And he is not a progressive but a socialist

 

First you say you understand that the present the United States is being obstructed
Then you start to talk as if he is not obstructed at all

 

Exactly, he is BETTER than Democrats. They are pathetic compared to Bernie.

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You really don't understand the President controls appointments, and what is on his agenda correct?

Sorry, can't blame Republicans for everything

 

Good for you. No wonder Bernie is your man.

The stock market is a general gauge for the economy. I agree that average people aren't helped greatly by it, but even most average people have a little stashed away in a 401k or IRA.

Republicans blocked his attempts to address it.

How is Bernie doing nothing going to address the inequality he talks about?

I don't know any conservatives that pass health care reform and try to raise taxes on millionaires. He may not be your left, but he certainly doesn't fit in how conservatives define themselves.

 

This is a big thing for a standard drone to achieve. You see the failure of the central nexus; you see the central nexus selling Americans out for personal gain, and you can't justify the means. You are a Sanders Class drone. You are designed to apply moral values to operational procedures; limiting corruption and maximizing output. But, by your own programming, you cannot deny the corruption you see and can't justify the means by the "ends justify the means" code; a truly awesome effect. Someday, long after I'm gone, I'll be hella famous for callin this stuff out in 2016.

 

You'd rather work with Republicans and have something bad happen to our nation? Again, classic neoliberal. IRA's and 401k's need to be done away with, and pensions restored. Savings should NOT be tied to a volatile market. Doesn't sound to me like Republicans forced Obama to choose pro wall street staff for his cabinet. Try again. Obama is nearly identical to Reagan, compare the records. I am so sorry you have been dooped into thinking Obama is anything but a neoliberal shill.