Why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the United States?

Blowing away your objections is like taking candy from a baby. Think income and wealth disparity.

 

You're so wrong it's laughable. Do you really think such programs have weakened capitalism? Think before you answer that.

 

Try reading the post to which I was replying. duh

 

Why? WTF does that have to do with anything?

 

"self-protective, self-perpetuating nature of economy"

What? Is "economy" a rival god to yours?

You really can't demonstrate that any of your ideas could actually work. It's kind of like holding out for a Star Trek economy. It's science fiction.

 

Let's see how deeply you think on this. We in the USA have aspects of our system that are of slavery, aspects that are feudal, aspects that are capitalistic, and aspects that are socialistic. QUESTION: HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC SYSTEM IT IS THAT WE HAVE?

 

Sorry but that's just funny! You don't even have your revolution yet and you already planning to eliminate the Kulaks!

 

Wow Mikey! You are really reaching! You didn't want to just read my post as I wrote it and understand it that way? You had to spin it? Now why would you do that. ...Hmmmm. ........ I wonder.(but not for long.)

 

Keep trying. It's hilarious.

 

Eh I've heard it all before, and you've added nothing new. You're simply singing from the old choir book.

 

There are aspects of Socialism (Not Internationalist) that I agree with. If it's a system that reinforces behaviors & goals by the people I don't see it as a problem. If there aren't enough native US citizens in the country is it preferable to import foreign hordes or propagate your own? I overwhelming prefer the latter. I'd much rather give families the ability to have the wife not work for a corporation/business and exclusively have children & raise them to adulthood. If a nation is to survive and thrive it has to make decisions for the group rather than being this wandering mass of consumers we are today.

 

Then you have nothing to add. right?

Actually I don't think you read and absorbed my posts, like post 774.

 

Income and wealth disparity exist under every economic system.

 

So we disagree.

 

Not really. Saving a person from drowning is neither socialistic nor capitalistic, or for that matter part of any economic system.

 

Is capitalism??

 

"The proper role of government in a capitalist economic system has been hotly debated for centuries. Unlike socialism, communism, or fascism, capitalist theory does not assume that a centralized public authority has any role."

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/040615/what-role-does-government-play-capitalism.asp

 

Government establishes and regulates the rules of individual behavior. This includes the rules that businesses have to play by which is where governments set the rules for capitalism. They don't set rules for socialism, communism, or fascism because they are them.

 

Yes. Its author, Garrett Hardin, was disturbed to find that his essay was being used to justify privatization of the commons when his intention was to advocate their responsible public management. The actual historical commons were responsibly managed by the community, and no such tragedy occurred. Hardin said that he should have called his work, "The Tragedy of the "Unmanaged Commons."

See? You didn't know that. I did. I am the one who is informed on this issue. You are the one who is not.

Oh, really? Have you spent any time in a national park lately? The problem in the USA is that evil, lying Republicans have manipulated and gerrymandered to get control of government despite having less public support than the Democrats, and have used that control to starve public services and infrastructure maintenance. They always say, "Government doesn't work!" And so when they are in government, they make damn sure it doesn't work. Other countries don't have the problems with maintenance of public infrastructure that Republicans have created in the USA.

Your claims are false and known to be false.

 

Nope. Government can run just fine with voluntary revenue sources. All it has to do is ask landowners to repay the increased unimproved rental value of land that public spending on desirable public services and infrastructure creates, instead of giving it away to rich, greedy, privileged, parasitic landowners in return for nothing.

Right: look at the rich, greedy, privileged parasites who are so exorbitantly rewarded for doing and contributing nothing.

Such as by taxing wages instead of land rent...

Except landowners. If you own land, you can force the landless to feed you in return for your permission for them to feed themselves. Remember the old saying: If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; if you teach him to fish, you feed him for a lifetime; but if you own the lake, he feeds you for a lifetime.

 

I must say you're not making any sense. But let me try. Are you saying that when we say "socialism" we are referring to both government AND economy, and that communism and fascism are the same in that respect, but that when we say "capitalism" we are referring only to the economic system??

First of all, ONCE AGAIN!!!!,.....there has been no communist economy, and a communist society, BY DEFINITION, has no state machinery to enforce anything. There have been "communist" governments only because the party and the people of that party have adopted the name "communist" to distinguish themselves from socialists.

But that aside, you're dreaming. Our government is fully in bed with capitalism to the point where it is a CAPITALIST government. How can that not be true when you have A.L.E.C. and have the Supreme Court saying corporations are "people" with the rights of people (except for a few things like a corporation cannot be incarcerated, cannot "pursue happiness", cannot serve on a jury, cannot be citizens, and cannot vote)?

The government mediates the class struggle in favor of capitalists. Hence we get the most expensive healthcare on the planet yet with outcomes inferior to some, we get climate change and no urgency to transition to "green" renewable energy, we get a growing gap between the income and wealth of the top 5% versus the bottom half of society, highest per capita education debt, etc. etc.

The notion of an "independent" government is a fantasy with no reality in any case ever.

 

Socialism is not present in order to negate capitalism.

 

Sounds like a mixed economy, although I would vote out slavery and resist feudalism personally.

 

Seldom have I seen such a collection of ill informed Nonsense in my life Nothing you suggest here is voluntary. And government anywhere ever ran on voluntary contributions since the very first cities came to be. No body is paid for doing nothing nor should they be. Almost every lake worthy of the name in the US is public land. Only they are willing to rent land from you to farm which won't happen if the rent is to high.

 

And therefore, and since the capitalist government developed the programs, they are not socialism. Socialism is an economic system.