Why is the US the most criminally violent ''First World'' nation of all?

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

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    So we dispelled the myth that the poor are getting poorer in America, didn't we?
     
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    My, you have your woke credentials!
     
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  3. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    This is especially so in the African American community.
     
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    Would you mind posting an article that isn't paywall protected or paste more of the substance of the article so others can read the context? Thx.
     
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    The assertion about culture you made, is it innate or the result of external conditions? Or don't you care?
     
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    I dont recall saying they were getting poorer. Someone mentioned the widening wealth gap, and its possible to have improving poverty rate while having widening wealth gap. The overall situation us still not good, because even if the poor are doing little bit better, college education for them is a pipedream, because they could never afford it. Studies show that those who go to college earn 80% more than those people who only have a high school diploma, so those who can't afford college are stuck in low income brackets, while those who can afford it are much better off.

    I have rarely seen anyone so obsessed with race.
     
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    Not race, reality. I'm obsessed with reality.

    Denying or ignoring racial realities doesn't make you virtuous, it makes you ignorant.
     
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    And for good reason. Nature and reality says that masculine men are needed to do the heavy lifting, discipline and raise offspring, and protect the breeding process from attack.

    I'm not sure when masculinity became a bad term, I'm assuming by our woke Beta males. Either way, I'm glad masculine men exist to do the tough jobs and provide protection.
     
  9. Creasy Tvedt

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    My statement was accurate though, wasn't it?
     
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    This guy trotted out the myth of the poor getting poorer.
    And we dispelled that myth, didn't we?
     
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    Violence and forced servitude was used against Asians historically as well. They don't seem to align with this blanket excuse making you are attempting.

    As usual, just excuses to blame others and not hold anybody accountable.
     
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    You are obsessed with the thought of African Americans being the source of all ills in US.
     
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    I think you understand that answering my question undermines your apparent belief that black people are violent by nature. Hence, your avoidance. And that's because it shifts part of the blame to people who share your prejudices.
     
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    And your silence on the simple question I asked you speaks volumes.
     
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    Not all, just an inordinately-high level of the ills that involve violence in the US.

    Can we acknowledge that simple reality? The reality that African Americans are responsible for an inordinately-high amount of the violence in the US?

    Remember, denying reality doesn't make you virtuous.
     
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    Are you interested in trying to understand the nature of the problem, and trying to fix it, or assigning blame for it? Never mind, your comments thus far speak volumes.
     
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    First we need to acknowledge that there is a problem, but that's a step that you seem to want to skip, because you think doing so makes you virtuous.

    It doesn't.
     
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    Of course there's a problem. Gang violence in the inner cities is intolerable, mostly committed by minorities. Virtue is of little use in diagnosing the best way to reduce the violence. So too is prejudice.
     
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    Yay! We finally made it to reality.

    It's like pulling teeth. Just exhausting.
     
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    Your erroneous assumption being most of us don't recognize there's a problem. A straw man argument. The question is how to move forward. Assuming you are interested in doing so rather than building bigger prisons.
     
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    Of course you recognize the problem of the African American culture of criminality, because it's too obvious a problem to not recognize.

    But you're loath to acknowledge it, and you'd rather shift blame and play your apologist games andtricks.

    And if more and bigger prisons is what it takes, then let's build them.

    It worked for NYC. More cops on the streets, more criminals off the streets, and crime rates plunged.

    Mayor Giuliani Reports Crime in New York City to Fall - NYC.gov
    http://www.nyc.gov › html › html

    Murders Rate Is Lowest Since 1966. Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and New York City Police Commissioner Howard Safir today announced that overall crime for the first ...
    Murder: -69.3 percent
    Rape: -16.6 percent
     
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    Not denying anything, I just don't get the obsession of constantly shifting all blame on blacks, without ever attempting to offer explanations as to why it's happening, and how the situation could be improved.
     
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    It's happening because Soros-funded DAs are refusing to prosecute black criminals.

    It could be improved by having the DAs prosecute black criminals.

    George Soros-funded DAs oversee big cities with skyrocketing ...
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    Criminals(of any color) should be put in a cage where they belong. It worked when the did it in New York City in the 90s.

    It ain't rocket surgery.
     
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    Hold on, the argument has been that prisons are full of black people.

    Let me check.

    Looks like about 40% are indeed black.

    Refusing to prosecute blacks......?

    You know Soros is 91 yrs old, and people were trying to argue he was delivering bricks to Kenosha.
     
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    Well there is a recognized formula for determining the wealth gap: The Gini Coefficient. And according to that, here is income inequality by nation:

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    Now how that relates to violent crime? I don't know, which is why I'm asking the question, but at least we already do have an agreed on measure as a starting point to figure it out.
     
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