Why killing a fetus is fine.

Mmmm...and which deity would that be.....I understand that almost all religions follow the commandments!

I have never said at any time "because God says so" I was being sarcastic, as most feminists believe that "they" are omni present!
The rule of the "loudest" mouth!
You and I have the right to free choice regardless of our sex, obviously your choice include others if your in the fruitful stage of life!
At this time both should have a choice!
But then again with your feminist axe to grind above ones head, make's one a thug!

Reason has nothing to do with a feminist! Greed and selfishness rule okay!

The usual one way street of the feminist dictator!
The targer!

Regards
Highlander

 

Only the three Abrahamic religions follow the ten commandments, well maybe two of the three, I am not sure if Islam follows the ten commandments at all. You do know there are thousands of other religions that have absolutely nothing to do with the Abrahamic ones, don't you? And who my deity is is completely irrelevant here as the point is that my deity disagrees with yours and I am not going to stop following my deity and start listening to yours simply because you say so.

Funny that you have labeled me as a feminist. When have I ever said I was one? I hate the term feminist. If you want to you may call me an egalitarian though, I definitely prefer that term over the one you have given me here. Although I use it loosely since I don't particularly follow everything egalitarians do. At the bare roots of it all I am a Libertarian.

I am curious though, why do so many people use the term feminist as an insult towards people? Do you even know what feminism is?

 

If mental functions of the baby are assumed to be the relevant criterion for abortion (the view I agree with BTW), then birth is of little importance, because nothing significant changes at birth in this regard.

The points of importance would be somewhere around 5th month, when cortex begins to organise (or some weeks before just to be safe). This point of view is indeed a basis for abortion laws in many countries, where abortion is legal in first trimester (+- some weeks) and illegal or restricted later.

 

The commandments are part of the old testiment, The bible, The Koran as well as the Torah!

First mistake - Feminist isn't an insult...its a type of female who considers herself an intellectual! This might be the case but certainly isn't always the case in the terms of the "feminist"!!

Usually dress in long skirt! Walks with attitude! Arms swingingsometime dragging her knuckles on the ground!
Walks with a stride of a soldier under orders to march!
Screams her convictions as to her invincibility and superiority regarding her rights! Man woman or child! Regardless of any basic manners she may of been taught!
Normally screaming over and above anyone and everyone's basic rights.
Over bearing!
A targer!
A woman who "has her rights" behaving in the same manner as an obnoxious man!

As for "egalitarian"!

A woman by default because of her sex isn't equal! MMMMmmm...its looking like feminist...!

That not my thought processes....just natures way and hundreds of thousands of years progress and evolution!

A woman has always a higher status in men's eyes even in regards to other men.
But that status can and is removed or taken down by her actions and behaviour!

Again that's not my ideals.... blame the nature of the beast!

Regards
Highlander

 

This is true. And there are thousands of other religions that have nothing to do with these two religions.

Well that's weird because the definitions I am finding for feminist aren't that at all. In fact this is what I found for feminist.

: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2
: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminist

Seems pretty different from what you posted here which I am going to say is just your personal opinion of feminists.

In what way are women not equal? Can you please elaborate?

I believe everyone we meet achieves a certain status in our minds immediately when we meet them. Whether it be because of their age, race, gender, sexual orientation or purely due to their behavior a person achieves some form of lesser than me or better than me or equal to me status in a person's mind. Sociology is one of my favorite subjects and we often discussed things like this in college.

Regardless of how the person first achieves their status in your mind they can definitely change how you feel about them (for better or worse) based on their behavior. Yes I can agree with that.

 

Feminism...I agree its not the dictionary's concise definition, just an observation...okay... yes... exaggerated and with a certain panache and a very creative poetic licence!
A woman status is above any man, that's not me, just an observation and a fact of life!

Man walks into pub slaps a woman (reason not given, perhaps she murdered her child) Automatically ten men will defend the woman kicking the man in the process!

Same scenario but in the opposite direction, Woman walks into pub and slaps the man......they all would say....he deserved it....regardless of the reasoning and woe betide him if he retaliates!

A women because or her sex is automatically elevated in status! Until she opens her mouth and dependant what come out!

Regards
Highlander

 

Now you know better than that! The great thing about religion Christianity in particular is that there is no forcing going on, at least with ethical Christians. There are those anti Christians that complain christens are everywhere, like roaches, on the TV, on the sidewalk, in churches…look, a TV has a knob button or a touch screen. Instructions; Preacher come on ja TV, you turn off TV. Church have doors. No one like church, so not many go to church. If you don’t like church don’t go into church. See how easy? Side walk preacher screaming…you not like sidewalk preaching do not walk up to preacher, no, no, no!!! Cross street well before your ears are harmed by god words, the preacher soon be drowned out by traffic, see no problem!

Ha ha...In the USA, percentages of people who say they believe in the Christian God range from70>80%. Now there is one way Christians do influence the world and even the universe! By our numbers. We make things happen for God. Presidents get elected as do congressmen senators mayors on down the line. We build cathedrals and fund buildings and humanitarian groups. Still we do not force anything on anyone. If the non Christians do not the fact that we can block vote, maybe they should become politically active and take back block vote!!…For example vote for an atheist. Its a free country. However don’t you wonder why the church is called the body of Christ? We manifest the will of God by using our bodies as a metaphysical bridge, a conduit for the supernatural to become real life events! I wont go into that thought it is too long! But its true. The age of miracles have past and now it’s the church age. Soon however another age of supernatural events will begin. The bad news is that the supernatural powerful will be the Antichrist not Jesus or God, at least for about ten years! I digress….

No, with all due respect Pasithea there is absolutely no contradiction at all. The problem arises in the translation. We can delve into the finer points of Greek (NT) and Hebrew (OT) lanuange and discern why the authors meant. (the short version is that one means murder and the other denotes all if not most killing). Relevant Google article;

Thou Shalt Not Murder
Oct 19, 2000 ... Those of us who are familiar with the original Hebrew text of the Bible find ... out
plainly the differences between the Hebrew roots for killing and murdering (for
good ... Even the Septuagint, the old Greek translation of the Bible, ...

www.ucalgary.ca/.../001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html

I would be happy to go to PM with that if after reading the Google link you still disagree. Or if you would like to discuss any issue similar etc.

Ha ha again with more due respect, still, you need the other 50% of the world, men as you correctly point out. Well maybe cloning may give men haters a out. I suspect you are NOT in the latter category? I hope.

Is that the VR world where you take on a VR ID and live in a VR city etc? Being an artist and photographer in my spare time (two hobbies of mine) I enjoy new things, especially hobbies that use technology in new and creative ways. Maybe we should talk about those things instead of bible in PM ha ha! Seriously unless one is really interested in spirituality its like learning differential calculus! I watched that G-20 attack of the show which had a special about something similar to Sims, It was a weird but cool thing. Yeah I like stuff like that. I am wound so tight that I am doomed to be forever seen by liberals as a knuckle dragging Neanderthal. Ha ha the thing is that the Nenaders’ had a measurably larger brain than we humans! Ha ha~ Sorry if much of this reply is difficult to read I’ve got a place to be about five min ago!

However if you really want to discuss issues of spirituality metaphysics and Christianity etc and will do so with a open mind I will do the same.

Rev A

 

That is true as per wiki; "It is also the first five books of the Jewish biblical canon. The common names of the books in English, derived from the ancient Septuagint translation, are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. It is known in Christianity as the Pentateuch"

Info about the Koran and Christian bible etc;

What is older the bible or Koran?
The Bible is by far the older book with the earliest books possibly being written about 1446 BC and 1406 BC, whereas the Koran was compiled sometime in the 7th century AD. Read More »
Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_older_the_bible_or_Koran

Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090304093148AACE8Jz

Rev A

 

That's the thing though. Religious people can and often do use the power of the vote to push their religious beliefs onto others. Proposition 8 is a perfect example of this. Now I am not saying religious people shouldn't be allowed to vote or vote however they want to, because they may, I simply don't believe certain things should be up for vote, like basic civil and human rights. A woman's right to have full and total medical authority over her own body is something that should NEVER be up for vote.

Please don't get me wrong. I am not anti-religious at all. I have issues with certain religions and dislike for parts of them and I see many contradictions within them, but I believe if people follow it peacefully and use it only to make their own personal lives happier religion can be a wonderful and beautiful thing. It is something that makes people unique, different and interesting. I think it would be a very boring world without spirituality of any kind in it. The only part that bothers me about religion is when people try to use it to justify their bigotry against others.

So you don't believe stoning children to death for being disobedient is murder?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+21:18-21&version=KJV

I definitely do still disagree as you can see above. Stoning people to death for breaking pointless laws is murder.

I am just pointing out that women can go walk into a sperm bank without ever speaking to a man and impregnate herself with it. I'm not a man hater, rofl. I have a very loving and sweet boyfriend. =P

Yeah, it is the game where you can create virtual worlds. It's a lot of fun although you need a nice computer to run it well. I noticed my poor laptop has been having issues running it lately. But I won't give up. I am saving my money for a nice gaming desktop that my boyfriend can build me. =)

 

Mr A...thanks for the information....but as you know religion is a very touchy subject.
I do know the Koran was taught in an oral fashion and which came first I wouldn't attempt to ascertain or make an assumption on!

But from what I've read and I'm certainly no scholar on this matter, that both then Koran the Torah and the Bible were at one time the same book!
Because of politics and because of vested interests the book was divided into sects,as it is today!
Now I'm open to discussion on the subject but not dogma!

http://jahtruth.net/kofkad.htm

Everyone who follows a religion, fully, can only be a decent person.
Its the manipulation of religion by vested interests and those unable to fully understand their responsibly within there chosen religion are the problem!
Not to mention the tool of the vested interests!


Regards
Highlander

 

Mmmmmm.......sorry...there were twelve commandments!

Regards
Highlander

 

Yep, you are entirely correct and I completely agree.

 

The arbitrary religious notion of that shalt not kill babies has actually been disputed within Christian history. Not only this but infanticide was a very common place thing in Jewish history, for example how God commanded Abraham to stab his son Isaac. So I dont know why Christians are so hyped up over the issue. Aside from the religious diversity on the subject, they cannot actually substantiate the religious position in an of itself. They present no reason why the fetus should be cared for other than the arbitrary and childish notion of "oh because God says so." By the same logic they would jump off a cliff if asked, or better yet stab their children as a sacrifice.

 

But Eugenics is okay????

Regards
Highlander

 

What do you mean?

 

Megadeathfan - if you/your wife or girlfriend or whatever was pregnant and wanted to keep the child but someone killed it while it was in the womb....is that murder?

 

It could be a felony of another kind, akin to a type of property rights violation (like destruction of private property) but with an alternative name.

 

No, but since the women in question wanted to have the baby, it would be considered some kind of theft.

 

Exactly right.

 

Why? Illegal homicides are typically called murder!

 

So what is the objective measure of when that fetus is no longer "property"? When it no longer absolutely requires the mother to survive? If not then when?

 

When it has interests of its own that can be expressed.

 

Abortion is not illegal hence not called murder, to clarify the law, which you obviously dont understand.

 

What an ignorant thing to say, clearly a reflection of your understanding of the topic. Most illegal homicides are not murders.

 

You are a silly troll. Prove your silly assertion.

http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+murder&qpvt=murder+definition&FORM=DTPDIA

"1. crime of killing somebody: the crime of killing another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law"