why Mormans are not Christian

no I'm not..
but if i felt the need for the Holy Sacrament and needed to pray in a church

i would want to go to the one that is a true lineage of Christ.

When He said do this in remembrance of me He created a lineage .

all this fake churches that have sprung up...well it's your life isn't.

have you ever tried the Real Body and Blood of christ...shouldn't you but once try it.

i wish to state now that you have ridiculed another Christian group of people with that statement.

Jesus Christ is not pleased

 

Maybe you can provide a link. I have no clue what you are talking about. If what you are speaking of is the way surely it will be easily understandable. God is not in the business of confusing us, I know that much. That's where Satan thrives.

 

Well, that is just untrue ...

Jesus died sometime after 30AD.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Imeediately we have the passion narrative, and within two decades, we get large chunks of what would become the Bible.

Indeed, Paul dies in 67 AD, and his writing form the basis of large parts of the NT.

I have no idea where your claim comes from, but its simply not true.

 

#1 - if you feel the need to pray in a church, then go do so.

#2 - Do not think you know the mind of Jesus, you are not him. That simple.

 

But if they differ in their teachings, then they are not all following the same curriculum or gospel. While it's good for people to have a general respect for one another's beliefs, it is not synonymous with divine endorsement.

 

Jesus never was trying to establish a "church", and he hated legalities. That's what the differences between most of these churches are. What's is important is one's relationship with Jesus Christ.

 

um what did i blame you for? And what take on things did i go with? What the hell?

 

i thought the church had different seats of power and that some in the east split off when the church of Rome began to size more power for itself I don’t know if there are any splinter groups from before that time that survive today .

 

how do you actually know what he said he never wrote anything down not that we have its a leap of faith with every verse

 

he turned to peter and created the first pope when he said

"Upon this rock i shall build my church...

peter means rock


you have no idea what it really is all about..

the catholic church is the one True Church of god almighty

 

Catholics are by far (minus a few) some of the most morally bankrupt "Christians" I have ever seen. They think as long as they go to church and do the other rituals they can live their lives like anyone else. What a horrible representation of Jesus Christ.

 

I don't think that line of thinking is exclusive to the Catholic Church.

I am Catholic, BTW, and what it represents is beautiful. It's doctrine and dogma is often misunderstood or simply not followed. But, that is true with any church.

 

thats like saying all Protestants are bad cause of the likes of telaevengelists who robbed millions from the poor, and that meth freak homosexual who was president Bush's revered reverend who helped do the crusade thing overseas..

 

it's weird how neutral has not a clue as to what the mormons say on the advent of jesus to this nation..

and the mormons are clamming up on the subject..


they claim...for the hundredth time i'm saying this...

that He came over here magically whilst his body lay in the grave for the three days after his death..

taught the people here..

and long after he was gone...those people totally left everything he taught them...to the point all was forgotten totally...not a shred of evidence that he came over here....lol i wonder why is that???

so god turned their skin a different colour as what they call in the book of mormon .."The Mark"...to show their wrong doing...WOW!!!!


any mormons want to deny this...there by denying the very fabric of your religion...

which is sort of christian...but not really..

ok so i will add sort of....because

it's like a weird cult based on a lie...mixed with christian thought....to fool people

 

I scanned thru the Book of Mormon many years ago while doing 3 days of sales pitching in SLC. I had no success, as my home was along the front range (Col. Springs/Denver, etc.) and I didnt look the part of the typical clean-cut, hairless, SLC business person of the time---had full beard, neck-length hair, western button-down shirt, wrangler jeans (new) and cowboy boots.

But the 3 days that I spent scanning the Book of Mormon gave me pause in many areas---some of the writings sounded close to the Bible (which I was very familiar with at the time) but others did not 'witness to my spirit' as being valid. The impression of when Jesus visited the Americas that there was an equivalent civilization to that of the Romans at that time....which would be a stretch to compare with the Incan civilization at around 30AD as being in N. America.

But I have known Mormons who believed in the new birth and primarily focused their time in reading the Bible. Acknowledging Jesus as the Christ and Savior of the world. To what extent that Christians accept their 'confession of faith' as individuals would be judging them, and I will bypass that judgement, and accept each Mormon and their faith on an individual basis as to whether they are my Bro or Sis in Christ...

 

I disagree with your premise that Mormon's are not Christians.

You claim that if what they say is true, it would be in the gospel. However, the gospel, as with the rest of the bible, was many writings selected and packaged as the bible long after Jesus was crucified. So the argument could logically be made, for whatever reason those particular scriptures were left out.

I am not Mormon and I have some disagreement with their religion, but I don't doubt they believe in Jesus as the son of God. I would say they meet the criteria to be considered Christian.

 

I'm sorry, but the notion that Christ returned from the dead and spoke in person with his apostles is considered by many to be "magical", "myth," and impossible. So I don't really think taking on one religion based on its "realistic description of miracles" is the way to go. Did Noah really fit two of every animal on the ark? Did Jesus really walk on water? Athiests can make the same argument against all of us. It's like throwing stones while living in a glass house if you think about it.

 

That's not what all Catholics think, but thanks for telling us what we think.

YOu can find corrupt, unChristian people in all sects of religion. You can't say, with any proof other than your own anecdotal experience, that Catholics are anymore amoral than any other Christian sect.

 

Anecdotal experiences is precisely what I'm working with. Maybe immoral is a bad word. Not filled with the holy spirit and a poor relationship with Jesus Christ is more like it. It's too "religious". There are however many catholic-christians and they tend to be just like any other follower of Christ and "get it".

 

says the cahtolics

 

Well, here you go. I work with Mormons, and upon asking them what they though, well, it turns out a portion of their service this weekend, from one of the leaders of their church, answered the question.

"“Let me tell you a story—a parable.

“There once was a man who wanted something very much. It seemed more important than anything else in his life. In order for him to have his desire, he incurred a great debt.

“He had been warned about going into that much debt, and particularly about his creditor. But it seemed so important for him to do what he wanted to do and to have what he wanted right now. He was sure he could pay for it later.

“So he signed a contract. He would pay it off some time along the way. He didn’t worry too much about it, for the due date seemed such a long time away. He had what he wanted now, and that was what seemed important.

“The creditor was always somewhere in the back of his mind, and he made token payments now and again, thinking somehow that the day of reckoning really would never come.

“But as it always does, the day came, and the contract fell due. The debt had not been fully paid. His creditor appeared and demanded payment in full.

“Only then did he realize that his creditor not only had the power to repossess all that he owned, but the power to cast him into prison as well.

“‘I cannot pay you, for I have not the power to do so,’ he confessed.

“‘Then,’ said the creditor, ‘we will exercise the contract, take your possessions, and you shall go to prison. You agreed to that. It was your choice. You signed the contract, and now it must be enforced.’

“‘Can you not extend the time or forgive the debt?’ the debtor begged. ‘Arrange some way for me to keep what I have and not go to prison. Surely you believe in mercy? Will you not show mercy?’

“The creditor replied, ‘Mercy is always so one-sided. It would serve only you. If I show mercy to you, it will leave me unpaid. It is justice I demand. Do you believe in justice?’

“‘I believed in justice when I signed the contract,’ the debtor said. ‘It was on my side then, for I thought it would protect me. I did not need mercy then, nor think I should need it ever. Justice, I thought, would serve both of us equally as well.’

“‘It is justice that demands that you pay the contract or suffer the penalty,’ the creditor replied. ‘That is the law. You have agreed to it and that is the way it must be. Mercy cannot rob justice.’

“There they were: One meting out justice, the other pleading for mercy. Neither could prevail except at the expense of the other.

“‘If you do not forgive the debt there will be no mercy,’ the debtor pleaded.

“‘If I do, there will be no justice,’ was the reply.

“Both laws, it seemed, could not be served. They are two eternal ideals that appear to contradict one another. Is there no way for justice to be fully served, and mercy also?

“There is a way! The law of justice can be fully satisfied and mercy can be fully extended—but it takes someone else. And so it happened this time.

“The debtor had a friend. He came to help. He knew the debtor well. He knew him to be shortsighted. He thought him foolish to have gotten himself into such a predicament. Nevertheless, he wanted to help because he loved him. He stepped between them, faced the creditor, and made this offer.

“‘I will pay the debt if you will free the debtor from his contract so that he may keep his possessions and not go to prison.’

“As the creditor was pondering the offer, the mediator added, ‘You demanded justice. Though he cannot pay you, I will do so. You will have been justly dealt with and can ask no more. It would not be just.’

“And so the creditor agreed.

“The mediator turned then to the debtor. ‘If I pay your debt, will you accept me as your creditor?’

“‘Oh yes, yes,’ cried the debtor. ‘You save me from prison and show mercy to me.’

“‘Then,’ said the benefactor, ‘you will pay the debt to me and I will set the terms. It will not be easy, but it will be possible. I will provide a way. You need not go to prison.’

“And so it was that the creditor was paid in full. He had been justly dealt with. No contract had been broken.

“The debtor, in turn, had been extended mercy. Both laws stood fulfilled. Because there was a mediator, justice had claimed its full share, and mercy was fully satisfied”

Our sins are our spiritual debts. Without Jesus Christ, who is our Savior and Mediator, we would all pay for our sins by suffering spiritual death. But because of Him, if we will keep His terms, which are to repent and keep His commandments, we may return to live with our Heavenly Father.

It is wonderful that Christ has provided us a way to be healed from our sins. He said:

“Behold, I have come unto the world … to save the world from sin."

Is there any Christian denomination that disagrees with that? Again, I don;t care what denomination you are, if you seeking truth through Christ - you are Christian. Period.

 

After he magically got up after being dead actually as i told you and you insulted me for not sure if it was supposed to be after he left the Middle East for good or not


The dark skin thing happened century’s earlier then Jesus showing up in the story and everyone just about giving up on Christianity happened well after

its odd you don’t see different looking native Americans as supposedly the dark and light skinned ones fused into one civilization for a while then spit up again on moral rather rather than racial lines


ya it sound like bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to me to and ya the book is horribly racist at times


21 And he had caused the acursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be a loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixes with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spoke it, and it was done.

24 And because of their accursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.



I think the last verse means they became that way because they were pissed off about how they looked rather than because of how they looked though


But the hole black is loathsome so you won’t breed with it idea is racist and the idea that someone from Jerusalem was a pale white sounds fishy to me



12 Therefore, all the Lamanites who had become converted unto the Lord did unite with their brethren, the Nephites, and were compelled, for the safety of their lives and their women and their children, to take up arms against those Gadianton robbers, yea, and also to maintain their rights, and the privileges of their church and of their worship, and their freedom and their liberty.

13 And it came to pass that before this thirteenth year had passed away the Nephites were threatened with utter destruction because of this war, which had become exceedingly sore.

14 And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites;

15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites;

16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. And thus ended the thirteenth year.


.......ya

 

Oh, so there are Africans in the New World when we arrived in the 1400's? So, God would visit seven punishments on the Egyptians, but he would not mark his persecutors black were they could be identified and slowly eliminated?

Why not?

And what does that have to do with African? Its only racist is you make the claim that Afriacans are somehow the descendants of that marked 'tribe'. Is that what that passage is claiming?

Again, its easy to point fingers and castigate, and certainly at one point the church has issues with race. But Mormons today? Anything but racist. So claiming their doctrine is racists is no different than what atheists do to call Christians in general genocidal maniacs, rapists, slave owners, etc. What Islamophobes do to Muslims to call them sub-human terrorists.

What point is served by focusing on single non-contextual sections of hundreds of pages of documents, when we know Mormons allow all races into the church?

Yep, all collections of people have gotten things wrong in the past. the trick is acknowledging them and moving beyond them. That is the sign of an open mind.

To forever condem, to continue to condem for centuries after? What's the point to say you were wrong once! So were you. Are you still?

 

maybe the story is the curse made them black and intermarriage with the nephrites made them look like they did by the time Europeans got hear

God did evil to the innocent in Egypt not so much hear but color is only going to prevent intermarriage if you’re racist

relying on the whites to be disgusted with the filthy darkies

And murdering people for the skin color and the children of gods enemy’s is to evil for the book of Mormon



it’s not even treatment there were many white skin people that were evil and at time many dark skin folk that were good. And god mostly doesn’t do this kind of (*)(*)(*)(*) you know like in reality where god doesn’t go around chaining the physical traits or slaughtering the 1st born of people that (*)(*)(*)(*) him off or even murder his followers most days

im not claiming Mormons are racist i am claiming there doctrine is in parts because that’s the truth the book of Mormon claims native Americans are descended from white Jewish people and the only reason there not white is because their ancestors were evil that doesn’t men they think they look bad or are bad but the racism in the story is their

 

What do you mean? Are you saying he built his Church on Peters name? That's not at all what that scripture means to me.