Why Trump should win his NY hush money trial

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  1. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    And Cohen was a "secret Russian agent", but they use him as a trusted source in the trials against Trump now, after lying, two, maybe three times now...will that be brought up in trial...

    https://vault.fbi.gov/

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  2. Patricio Da Silva

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    What's your point?
    Question has an assumed premise. See above.
    Still not finding what your argument is.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Excellent article... April 12, 2024.... Byron York

    1) The core crime alleged, falsifying business records, is a misdemeanor (past the statute of limitations). 2) To turn the misdemeanor into a felony, Bragg had to claim that Trump falsified records in the act of committing another crime — but Bragg has not charged Trump with any other crime. 3) Bragg “stacked” the charges to come up with 34 felony counts against Trump based on what was essentially one payoff. 4) Bragg’s effort to boost the case from misdemeanor to felony depends on a highly debatable reading of campaign finance law. 5) Bragg’s star witness Michael Cohen is, in the New York Times’s words, “a disbarred lawyer who served prison time after pleading guilty to violating campaign finance laws, evading taxes, making false statements to a bank, and lying to Congress.”


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2964082/the-anti-trump-dream-come-true/
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Apparently you are overlooking some salient points:

    1. Criminal prosecutions often rely on witnesses that have credibility issues, baggage, it goes with the territory of crime.
    2. When Cohen lied, he lied FOR Trump, he was trying to help Trump, but Trump threw him under the bus.
    3. Cohen did not benefit from taking out an equity loan to pay Stormy hush money, he did it for Trump.
    4. Cohen's sentence was partially due to his dealings with the Hush Money case. Trump did not get any time.
    5. Cohen's testimony will be substantiated by documents and testimony from other witnesses, who did not perjure themselves.

    Sorry, doesn't look too good for your guy. He be goin' down.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is not one sentence in your post that is true...
     
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    You do not believe that the electorate could have made a more informed decision regarding voting for Trump had they known he fornicated with a porn star and a playboy playmate just before his newly wed wife gave birth?

    If you can't see how hush money defrauded the electorate from being more informed about the relevant character of the President, then I can't help you. Now, the Access Hollywood tape was heard as 'locker room talk' and he was forgiven, but that plus the porn star and playmate just before his newly wed wife gave birth just might have tipped the scales to Hillary, given that he won the EC only by a few thousand votes in a couple of states.

    Defrauding an electorate to sway the vote is not legal, as I understand it.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Then If you can't see how Joe Bidens bribery and money laundering defrauded the electorate from being more informed about the relevant character of the President, then we can't help you, either... you can't have it both ways...at least Trump was showering with an adult and not his own daughter...
     
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    absence of a crime must mean that absence of a guilty verdict if it doesn't then there's corruption.
    There was no crime committed. No evidence no reason to accuse.
     
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    The problem with you Pat is that you assume too much.
     
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    If your worship of the loser demands that you denounce America's system of justice, law and order, and certified democratic elections, that is a high price to pay for blind faith. Your adored sexual abuser is not above the law.

    So many Republicans giving sworn testimony against the Cry Baby in his plethora of indictments is a display of moral rectitude by them.

    If you have actually succumbed to the delusion that all our noble institutions are conspiring against your lard-arsed messiah, your alienation from the U.S. is unfortunate.
     
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    It won't magically make entering an NDA a crime.

    There was no crime here. It doesn't matter how much you rant an race in your hate soup it won't make it a criminal act.
     
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    Wrong Cohen did not perjure himself in Trumps favor. He also impeached any future testimony he might give when he told them he would sing whatever song they wanted him to sing to save his own ass.
     
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    If "there is no crime here." a jury of the sexual abuser's peers will, with the guidance of his defense attorneys, let him walk.

    What a country!
     
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    Unsuccessful prosecutions do not equal 'corruption'. Where do you get such an idea?
    Crimes were committed. Plenty of probable cause to accuse. Read the indictment, it goes into detail. Trump's using Cohen as a conduit to pay Stormy to keep quiet in order to prevent the fact of his fornication with her known to the electorate plus the deception of payment entries disguised as 'legal services' violates a number of felonies.
     
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    Every sentence in the post was objectively true and irrefutable. Hence your (continued) failure to refute any of it.
     
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    That's not fraud. This is like saying Biden is "defrauding" the electorate by not admitting he has dementia. You would never say that. What this shows is that he paid someone extorting him (extortion is a crime) by threatening his public reputation. This isn't uncommon for celebrities.

    You should choose your words more carefully. Trump is being charged with a fraud-related offense. You're using the word so loosely that it has nothing to do with the law and little to do with the indictment this thread is about. It's to the point that it's just a nonsensical rant and it appears you are backtracking from the initial intended use of "fraud" as it relates to this trial because it is unsupported by the evidence.
     
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    Yeah, a jury in a shopped district, with a partisan hack of a judge, and conservatives removed from the pool during the voir dire process. The charges are nonsense and the trial is a joke which is why the fringe liberals on this site don't want to talk about the law and the evidence. The details destroy their position so it's just screeching about how much people hate Trump and how badly they want him incarcerated. This position is reminiscent of third-world countries going after their political opponents.
     
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    Lol, "shopped district"? It's the district the crime happened in, dude. That's how the law works. And don't fall for the dumb-as-**** argument that there are no Trump supporters in Manhattan.
     
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    Paranoia does not work for Trump bum kissers who hate America's system of justice.

    The vast majority of witnesses to Trump's perfidy in the dozens of felony counts against him are, of course, Republicans.

    I have no idea if the sexual abuser will be convicted or acquitted in this case, but he is not above the law despite all the whining.
     
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    Appeals can be denied. There is a possibility for it. There are possibilities that Trump will be suffering consequences. That is that justice has the chance to be served.. These are just possibilities. That's all.
     
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    You keep pretending that the source of the account matters. This is nonsense. You know this.
     
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    I'm not going to redo my search just to satisfy your feigned rebuttal.
     
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    Yeah, right! The SDNY was pretty sure there was a crime but just decided to stop the investigation and drop the case..... because, what, they were tired or hungry and wanted to go to lunch instead??????? Or, maybe they plain ran out of probable cause and reasonable suspicion.
     
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    So, you don't have any source? I thought not.
     
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    Isn't the SDNY the one prosecuting right now?
     

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