Why would anyone vote for Trump on 2024?

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  1. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you understand the definition of 'less productive'.

    Simply having a job, producing goods and services makes you productive.

    MAGAs only contribute 30% to wealth creation in this country.

    Which means that most of them are retired, unemployed or doing a job that can easily be replaced by someone with few qualifications.

    Even if you tried to find something positive in that, there isn't any.
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Demeaning higher education is consistent with submitting to ideological dogma rather than acknowledging expertise in medicine, climatology, etc.

    The anti-educational fervor among Trump's older, non-college-educated white males is rampant.
     
  3. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    I understand it just fine. The "wealth creation" you're talking about is mainly made through the tech industry, innovations of new tech, accumulating assets, investments, and resources. Again, those that support Trump are in the trade job areas. Plumbing, HVAC repair/installation. They're working on products that have already been around for decades. They're doing the dirty work. They're not "producing", they're keeping things running. Maintaining. And no, they can't be "easily replaced". Especially in a society that promotes college/universities that don't teach trades but instead teaches sciences, how to run businesses, lawyers, politicians...service oriented work. A country, any country, cannot subsist purely on "wealth creation". There MUST be people that maintain things...so you can keep your comfortable lifestyle that allows you to complain about the very people who keep your lifestyle comfy.
     
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    Aww...look...bringing race into a subject that has nothing to do with race. How typical of a leftist identitarian argument.
     
  5. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Race is a demographic factor in voting - as are age and educational attainment.
     
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  6. Kal'Stang

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    So no race other than white people vote for Trump? No race other than white people criticize todays colleges?

    Face it, your comment was racist pure and simple.
     
  7. Arkanis

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    You obviously don't understand.

    We'll give it one last try.

    A plumber participates in the growth of wealth.

    He buys parts built by other Americans, builds the plumbing in new constuctions, spends his salary on goods and services etc....

    The same principle applies to all repairers in this country.

    Once that's said, I'll repeat that MAGAs only contribute 30% of the country's wealth creation.

    The MAGA is therefore often retired, unemployed or working in a low-paid job where he or she is easily replaceable.
     
  8. ToughTalk

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    Yes the GOP is doing and wants to do everything to Joe Biden that's being done to Trump. Basically assuming he's guilty of something and then investigating until we find something.

    even if it's so much as an overdue library book...nobody is innocent.

    Unfortunately the man is now incompetent to stand trial so I think we are just gonna let him pass away naturally at this point.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because even after being caught in over 30 000 known lies, they still want to believe what he says. Textbook cult mentality.
     
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    I assume that you are making those things up.

    Obviously, I never said anything like that.

    Whether you are upset about Trump's strong support from older white males without college educations, I have no doubt that he appreciates it.

     
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    Is he better because he's a criminal or in spite of being a criminal?

    Perhaps you're so far gone in your moral bankruptcy that you can justify voting for a criminal to further your political agenda.
     
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    He is better in spite of any of the dumb ass chargers you think you've got him on. Yes.

    The country needs a president that puts the country first and isn't categorizing everyone based on race or gender or sexual identity. We need better foreign relations, not the ridiculous nonsense Biden is doing.

    We need better border policies because he's caused a migration crisis now in several states and his inaction has on the brink of a ****ing civil war.

    He is better. By every metric. I don't care about anything you've charged him with. I think it's all nonsense of which we could find equal dirt on Biden if he were not so *******n old that he can't stand trial.
     
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    There's always a conspiracy to justify Trump.

    When Trump is condemned - and he will be - you'll have a chance to reflect on your moral positions.

    In your case, I don't hope so.

    Especially since you support the creator of the Big Lie when you've already said you don't believe the election was rigged.

    Talk about contradiction...

    In fact, I'm more inclined to turn to moderate conservatives, who can't bring themselves to vote for a criminal to lead their country.
     
  14. ToughTalk

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    It's not a conspiracy. It's objective reality.

    His policies and platform are objectively better for this country moving forward.

    All the DNC's policies be it foreign or domestic have proven to be an absolute disaster and we are all suffering as a result. I don't care if he still feels he won the election in 2020. I also don't care if you are still triggered by Jan 6th.

    I simply don't care. I am more focused on the failed direction of this country and it's place in the world after 4 years of the current idiots in charge.

    Biden's inaction on border policy to prioritize this country and protect its citizens has us on the verge of a ****ing civil war. And you are worried about Jan 6th?

    Lol.
     
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    His political platform is to attack institutions and justice because this year he'll be sitting on his a** in four criminal courts.

    This is the man you consider worthy to lead your country.
     
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    His political platform will be to shut down the border which will allow the country to get ahead of the migrant crisis, fix broken foreign relationships with Saudi Arabia and the like. End the war in Ukraine. Not perpetuate the racist equity social policies. Not perpetuate CRT in schools. Focus on fair trade and manufacture and exploiting our vast resources in energy while propelling us towards a more greener future.

    In short? He's going to put Americans first and do what's best for THIS country.
     
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    Outside of his tax cuts, border security and judge appointments all his achievements were liberal in nature.

    Tarrifs
    Gun control
    Plans to get out of Afghanistan
    10k handouts
    Free rent during COVID
    Shutting down the economy during COVID
    Pro COVID shots
    The program that created the shots possible

    I’m sure I can think of more later as well
     
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    And there it is. Now that he's a lock, you're all behind him once again.

    He is pro-Putin and anti-Ukraine, so he would seek to end that war on Russia's terms, and that would be terrible for us as well in the long run. We have real, functioning "America First" now with Biden. You would know this if you were objective and informed.
     
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    Trump’s money dries up while Biden breaks fundraising records


    The Trump Cult needs to die. We can't have one of two ruling parties be controlled by and devoted to one man.
     
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    He is anti war which is where I am. Ukraine fought valiantly and sent a message. But this war is at a stalemate and all that's happening now is Russians and Ukrainians are dying.
     
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    It's not a stalemate. Territory hasn't changed hands much, but then US aid to Ukraine has been hampered by the Putin wing of your party.

    Yes, people are dying. That is war. But that doesn't mean we make it a priority to force Ukraine to lose it, because doing so will not save lives in the long run. You don't save lives by appeasing an expansionist dictatorship. You only prolong further death and suffering, and you help Ukraine get conquered in the process. The Z army is bigger now than it was before the war started and Putler is not the least bit afraid of being attacked by a bunch of spineless westerners who whine about how deadly war is. Putler doesn't care how many die; he is only interested in getting what he can through force, and as long as Ukraine and the west appear weak and vulnerable, he will continue to act. He isn't going to let that growing military go to waste.
     
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    It's a ******n stalemate, and call me crazy but I don't feel the need to come back here a year from now and show you the map hasn't moved while tallying up all the people who died trying to make it move between now and then.
     
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    It's not a stalemate.

    Putler could end the needless death and bloodshed any time. He started it, so let him end it. Let's not make things worse by trying to force Ukraine to capitulate.
     
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    Nothing you've said here argues against the fact that it's a stalemate.
     
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