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Why "You Didn't Build That" Resonates

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Nonconformist, Jul 31, 2012.

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  1. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    No sweat ... post up your graph ...
     
    exotix, Jul 31, 2012
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  2. Zosiasmom

    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    This.

    You've put it together quite well. Thank you.
     
    Zosiasmom, Jul 31, 2012
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  3. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's a very fanciful narrative you've created here, but you've missed the mark. What the graph shows is that once the stimulus began, job losses(or job changes) began to decline. Your theory on the attributing the upward swing to the Republican's gaining the house would make sense if that upward swing had nut already began in June of 09(which if I recall, is not long AFTER Obama is sworn in, and using your logic, the job gains should be attributed to him too). The stimulus was not an instant fix, so expecting results to start appearing the day after the stimulus was passed is absurd. Those things take time, as this graph clearly shows. What this graph does not show is a correlation between the stimulus and the decline in job losses, so that's a valid discussion as to what level of effect it may have had, but coming to the conclusion that the Republican's gaining the House is the cause is silly and completely unsupported.
     
    Junkieturtle, Jul 31, 2012
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  4. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Lee S, Jul 31, 2012
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  5. head of joaquin

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    head of joaquin, Jul 31, 2012
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  6. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Job losses and and job changes are not the same thing. It is the difference between a line versus the slope in the line. Anything below the zero mark means things are continually getting worse. Why? Because if there is a negative number in job changes, the number of people losing jobs continue to increase. The dishonest part of this graph is it looks like things are getting better under Obama, but in this type of graph, if you have a negative number in job changes, more people are losing jobs.

    Look, I am trying to help you understand a very dishonest type of graph. It obviously fooled you. Find someone who is competent with math and graphs, perhaps they will explain it to you. As far as my conclusions being silly, perhaps you should strive to actually understand the data set before making attributions.

    This is just too easy.
     
    Lee S, Jul 31, 2012
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  7. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    I am not pretending anything. I am asserting that a lot of people do not know how to read a graph and interpret that graph to arrive at meaningful conclusions. I will tell you what, I will give you an opportunity to prove you understand what the misleading graph says. A simple question, if you have a negative job change, are things getting better or worse? Hint: A negative job change is completely independent of anything that happened the previous month or any month in the future.
     
    Lee S, Jul 31, 2012
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  8. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    This is so (*)(*)(*)(*)ed stupid. Has there ever been a Recession where job losses just kept going and going ? Hell no !

    Yet you are claiming such with this recent Recession as indicative of success !!

    If we had the same LFPR as when Stimulus was passed, U-3 is 10.1 %

    That is massive fail right there.
     
    Eighty Deuce, Jul 31, 2012
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  9. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    Well why are the worker bees who work really hard not able to make millions, but the guy on top gets to? Government officials deserve their high pay because they are in charge of more important things that help society move forward.

    These rich guys don't do much other than exploit the worker class, and claim its because their smart that they deserve such high pay.
     
    liberalminority, Jul 31, 2012
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  10. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    This notation doesn't exactly inspire confidence in yours ...


    *But while the narrative the Obama graphic puts forth may be slightly deceptive, so too is Franklin's graphic ... as he himself acknowledges ... by making it appear that more jobs have been lost under Obama when in fact just the opposite is true.

    Taken together, these two charts, each with the same data but different biases in presenting that data, serve as a testament to the slipperiness and persuasive power of the infographic*
     
    exotix, Jul 31, 2012
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  11. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Youve sold your soul.

    America is never gonna accept communism.

    How many have to die for your lust of anothers possessions?
     
    BestViewedWithCable, Jul 31, 2012
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  12. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    Isn't that what Willard did ... sold peoples livelihoods to the communists for a profit ?
     
    exotix, Jul 31, 2012
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  13. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    True enough. I believe that most people see the Obama Graph and assume it is the cumulative graph. Both graphs show the same data set. The source, Fast Company' does have a liberal bias, in my opinion. I try to give credence to both sides of an argument. I believe, in my opinion, that the cumulative graph, which could be misleading is better than the Obama graph, which is built to be misleading.
     
    Lee S, Jul 31, 2012
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  14. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    Yeah. Make that into a campaign commercial, why dontcha !!!!!!

    Meanwhile, it would behoove all Obamabots to learn what to do when someone yells "Incoming". Cause we got the ammo, and you are gonna be on the wrong end again. ;)

    A pox on all who have tried to turn this country to (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
    Eighty Deuce, Jul 31, 2012
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    Its not contradictory at all. In all tyranical systems (socialist, communist, marxist, fascist, warlord, plain old dictator, take your pick) the ruling class has all the money and power. They are always millionaires, even billionaires. Its easy to become fabulously wealthy when you control everything, and have the guns and prisons to back you up.
     
    Gator, Jul 31, 2012
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  16. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you mean "gets to"? Does the guy on top have permission from someone to earn what he does, but the people below, don't? The worker bees take no risks, they don't offer anything that others don't offer, so they are rewarded like anyone else: what the market determines their labor is worth.

    Society is not government. It doesn't need parasites to move it forward.

    And what do government workers do except feed at the taxpayer trough?
     
    BleedingHeadKen, Jul 31, 2012
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  17. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    I'm actually clueless as to how and why you ended-up with Romney ... there has to be one measely little reason you'd be better-off with Willard other than Obama ...

    You can't actually believe voicing wierd little conservative demogogues & manifestos like maoists is your defining message ...
     
    exotix, Jul 31, 2012
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  18. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kim Jong Il ring a bell?
     
    Professor Peabody, Jul 31, 2012
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  19. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's NOT Obama.
     
    Professor Peabody, Jul 31, 2012
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  20. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    Let's make this easier. Fill in the blank. You will always be correct.

    This sure ain't rocket science with you.
     
    Eighty Deuce, Jul 31, 2012
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  21. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    You actually used ain't and rocket science in a 7 word sentence ?

    LOL.
     
    exotix, Jul 31, 2012
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  22. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Okay! That is pretty funny. I have to give you that one.
     
    Lee S, Jul 31, 2012
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  23. theunbubba

    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Certainly no animosity. Where would she get that?
     
    theunbubba, Jul 31, 2012
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  24. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    Yes. And I thank you for making it so easy. ;)

    <hint>
     
    Eighty Deuce, Jul 31, 2012
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  25. Glock

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    You must not have known anyone to die from a workplace hazard such as a fall or some other preventable hazard. If you had, I'm pretty sure your outlook would be different. Why is it do hard to believe that there should be safe guards in place to protect workers? Have you ever worked in a factory or industrial processing? Owners should be free to worry about profits and have no regards for their workers' safety?

    For your second question.... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+has+osha+saved+lives

    I think the first search result answers your question.
     
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