Why?

If I were really cynical I would suggest that ivermectin is commonly produced under generic names. IOW lot of companies produce it under their own name.
Generic medicines are usually cheaper (due to competition ) and easily available.
What may be "at play" here is the private pharma companies are sending salesmen out to doctors with a lot of commercial reasons why the doctors should use their label. Doctors should know the game.
In Europe it is available over the counter in pharmacies.

Please note/ never use it on Border Collies to, for example, ease joint pain. It can kill the dog. Other breeds are not so sensible to it.

 

Call it what you will - they themselves call it a Review; it's reviewing studies and data analyses. And it doesn't make any difference.

My point stands. Cases and deaths fell dramatically WEEKS BEFORE Ivermectin was distributed.

So what DID make a difference? Lockdowns, which the authors completely somehow forgot to mention.

 

Why did I forget to mention these things? Because they're not correct.

The lockdown was extended, and extended, and extended.... And no, it didn't apply only to socializing; far from it. Those business hours? Essential businesses.

 

I posted the data I have lets see yours

 

Fact is that cases went up deaths went down.

 

Let's get back to the actual charts. The same trend is going on in all departments. Long story short, Ivermectin's got nothing to do with anything.

 

This is a non sequitur if I've ever seen one.

 

You cannot conclude that.

 

Are you commenting without having read the earlier posts?

 

Why?

Because virtually the entire medical establishment has been trained and conditioned to march to the drumbeat of Pharma and its captured agencies CDC, FDA and others. The big player is this situation is the head of NAIAD, Anthony Mengele Fauci.

Doctors are not trained in critical thinking or ethics. Many do not know right from wrong.

If Ivermectin and early treatment had been practiced, it would have become obvious that there was no need for the shots. Fauci could not allow that to happen.

 

Ivermectin is not prescribed because it was tested and they found that while it is effective at stopping viruses during the first phase of the infection, the amount required is not safe for humans.

‘The charts showing a relationship between Ivermectin and the number of cases in Africa and SA shows a correlation, not causation, if that.

 

I dont see any 'truth' in any of that!

heres mine:

This call rested in part on claims of numerous, well-documented studies reporting that Ivermectin use reduces the risk of contracting Covid-19 by over 90 per cent and mortality by 68 to 91 per cent.
https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnists/2021/07/709059/use-ivermectin-continuous-hot-topic



What about all the trials that went ignored by your guv?





https://c19ivermectin.com/


So theres mine, wheres yours?

 

Here is a good starting point for you.

I recommend that you go through the sources cited in the document.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverm...ndemic#Research_limitations,_ethics_and_fraud

 

What a waste of time, there is nothing in that gish that applies/addresses anything that I have posted. Do you have any evidence that actually applies or more concisely refutes the references I have posted? Did you even bother to read the thread? It would appear not.

 

Did you get Covid?

 

Like I said you have nothing to bring to the table. Thanks for trying though.

 

They are not stupid. They know which side their bread is buttered on.
Which makes them corrupt. I have pretty much stayed away from doctors all my life and, so far, that has served me well. But I still can see that causing so much mistrust in the medical admin., given all the events, misinformation, and lying in the past two years can't be good for our country.

I agree with your post, but wonder that you couldn't resist bringing Trump into it at the end. It spoiled an honest and non-partisan post.

Then either they are cowards or they put their personal well being above the well being of their patients; which means they shouldn't be doctors.

 

The lying and misinformation didn't start in the last two years. It's just more obvious now because the entire world is facing the same issue.

You are welcome to your opinion. I vehemently defend your Freedom of Speech.

You are also free to report my post if you find it that offensive. Or, I can do it if you prefer. Let me know.

Most people that have responsibilities are willing to endure just about anything which is why things are the way they are. Employers know that. I've walked away from a few jobs because I wasn't willing to do something unethical or illegal. However, I had the luxury of knowing that I would never have trouble finding another job and I wasn't married and I didn't have any kids. I can't honestly say that I would have made those same choices if I did have to provide for a family when confronted with those ethical dilemmas.

Our whole society rewards people for NOT doing the right thing and basically punishes those of us that do the right thing. It's dysfunctional on every level.

 

Did you?

 

Double ditto!
Its not! Unfortunately between Gov, Law,and Medicine merca is operating crisis, the new Hippocratic oath; Doctors are sworn to make money, lock step with our 3 letter agencies.

I havent seen so much of that in family businesses, but as I said above when it comes to Gov, Law,and Medicine, (politics et al) the situation is totally reversed and its a vipers cesspool. Rule by law is rule by money, Democracy has been converted to 'We the Kleptocracy', Big Pharma dictates ONLY treatments that are profitable and serve themselves.

 

Yeah, I know what you mean. And, quite honestly, I always make my job decisions according to my own self-interest. But my jobs aren't in the humanities. Doctors should be held to a higher standard than secretaries. If they (and their families) aren't comfortable with that, then they should do something else.

 

I'm sorry but you are expressing naive ignorance. Maybe you don't realize how much doctors have invested in their career. 4 years of university where they have to maintain excellent grades, then 4 more very intense years of medical school, if they are even lucky enough to get in, combined with getting into a huge amount of debt to pay for it, then 2 to 4 years of residency where they are forced to work long hours for what often amounts to less than minimum wage and are treated badly. Even if they did everything right, they will still be age 28, 29, or 30 by the time they can even begin their career. It won't even really financially pay off and reach the break-even point to justify it until they are in their mid-30s.

So with so much invested, they are held hostage because they have too much to lose.

Sorry, but almost none of them put in all that work just to help the rest of humanity.

 

Pity

 

Why do you think secretaries should be held to a lower standard than doctors? Why should anyone in any job capacity be held to a lower standard?

Also, I believe a big part of the problem is basic math. One of my degrees is in math and I honestly didn't realize how many people are just not good with money and they are from every class of society. So, when we relinquish our control over our own wallet, we are essentially agreeing to be trapped in some kind of serfdom.

For example, I took a real estate licensing course. I never intended to sell RE (although I could have) but simply wanted to understand the business when negotiating the purchase of my first house. I've always had excellent credit and had a pre-approval letter for a certain dollar amount. It helps Realtors to know you aren't just kicking tires and have an underwriter's backing for the homes you are interested in. Well, I didn't want to buy a home in the range that I was approved for and the Realtor tried to upsell us constantly. I finally told her that I was not willing to spend more than $X and she could show me the houses on my lists or I would happily find someone that would. I won out.

Fast forward almost six years and terrorists attacked the World Trade Center. My then-spouse worked for the airlines which took a huge hit because of 9/11. However, I wasn't in that industry so my income remained stable. Sadly, many of our friends and neighbors that worked in the airline industry really, really struggled because they let their banker and/or the Realtor tell them how much they should spend on their home purchases. We were the only ones that were sweating bullets the whole time. Sure, we had to make some small adjustments until things rebounded but we were never at risk of losing our home or vehicles or utilities, etc.

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A former employee, early 30s, not married but two kids with her children's father (she didn't want to get married to get Public Aid and Food Stamps). She was not a very good student and someone suggested that she take the course to become a CNA. She took out student loans to attend school and passed the course. However, she failed the certification 2-3 times. I can't recall right now. To her, she "did not owe that money because *they* made the test too hard." She had absolutely no qualms about blowing off almost $30K in legitimate debt because she couldn't pass the state certification exam to become a CNA.

Another former employee. Early 60s. She dropped out of high school but got her GED when her kids were in the middle school. She took out student loans but I can't recall right now what she was studying. Her sister developed cancer and she ended up failing all her classes for two semesters in trying to take care of her own family and help her sister (whose husband was very abusive and wouldn't help his wife). For the past 18-19 years, she has only paid the interest on that debt. It is well over $70K at this point and she never puts a dime toward principal and has no intentions of doing so.

The countless times that I've done money management and budgeting classes or one-on-one coaching, the other person always says they don't care about the details. They just want to know what their monthly payment will be. Every single time. Doctors, lawyers, police officers, police dispatchers, teachers, professional football players (this is one reason that so many "big name" people go broke. They didn't know how to manage their money and trusted someone else to look out for their best interests...every single time).

It's a very hard sell. One time I went to a car dealership and fell in love with a vehicle. I wanted it. I wasn't going to reconsider. I loved that car. It had my name all over it. The salesmen did all his slick talking and told me the monthly payment. I asked for the details and he told me not to worry about it. I told him that I wanted the details since it was my money. So, he tells me this outrageous interest rate. I told him that it was no acceptable as my credit score was in the 800s!!! No way was I going to pay double-digits in interest. He said he had to go talk to his manager (which is car salesman speak for doing nothing for a minutes outside the door). Then, I was stuck. I really loved that car and there were no others of that make, model, color with the features I wanted. He comes back in and says that the best his manager can do is go down 1%. I agreed and signed the papers, got the keys as the detail crew was just finishing up my beautiful car and drove home.

The following Monday (car dealers are closed on Sundays in IL) I called my bank manager and she asked what I needed. I told her that I needed a car loan and didn't want to pay more than 5% interest. She said "OK" and that she would be in touch. Within a couple hours she called me and said the paperwork was done and to come in to sign. I went and did that and headed home happy as can be. Before I made it back, the car salesman called me. He asked me if I had time to stop by his office because he had reworked the numbers and could get me a better rate than the 12.5% I signed (I honestly only signed that because I knew I would never pay that). I told him that I wasn't interested in rewriting the sale. The poor guy was almost in tears. I didn't rub it in his face but had he not been such a jerk to me WHEN I asked him to negotiate that interest rate, he wouldn't have lost his commission.

Most people don't understand that there is NO interest charge if a creditor receives **payment in full* before the first payment accrues so he didn't earn one penny off that car sale and he brought that on himself. I consider it my good will for all the people he probably forced into crazy interest rates because he lied to them about the details of what they were signing.

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So, with all that, consider that most people that go to medical school are young. They've had their career trajectory in the works probably since high school. They have four years of college, then straight to medical school, any specialty training and then residency. They owe so many people by the time they get their first full check there is simply no way for them to just walk away. Many of them don't even come close to being able to splurge or put anything substantial away in X number of years. And, this is basically modern day slavery. Everybody pushing us to keep up with the Joneses and not worry about the details. The details matter so when the AMA says "Do this" they do it. When the pretty pharmaceutical rep shows up with an invitation to some expensive meal, they put the shiny brochures in their office and write the prescriptions because, like most of us, they need that paycheck to come in a week or two.

It takes a lot of courage and ethics to walk away when one has no idea how to start over or much support in doing so. Student loans, medical malpractice insurance, a whole other field of study, maybe a spouse and a baby or two, car payments, elderly parents needing help, etc.. In my way of thinking, the best thing we can do is help kids and teens figure out a plan for their futures and rewrite course curriculums that involves them actually being exposed to their jobs of interests. Maybe something like student teaching but for every field. Nobody should be walking into a position having NO exposure to what it's really like. Maybe the AMA doesn't like that idea because they get to sell a lot of psychotropic drugs because so many people are unhappy in their careers. If one is going to spend the bulk of their healthy years doing something for somebody else, they probably should work at little harder on the front end to make sure it's something they can do for decades without killing anybody. ;-0

 

I’ve never met a poor doctor really.