Will Obama/Liberals Resist Mormonism?

Unless you realize that Mormans aren't polygamists.

 

Liberals will never accept Mormonism.....they have embraced Moronism for life........
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So the members aren't allowed to practice what their founder was commanded to do? Or are you going to try and say that the folks in Utah aren't members of the CoJCoLDS?

But heck, lets just take you on your word that it isn't the case, how about the practices of postmortem baptisms?? Orthodox? Their faith is by definition unorthodox, and any religion with unorthodox beliefs is, again... by definition a cult.

 

Unorthodox... Unorthodox... hmm... nothing.

As to the polygamy question: Abraham was commanded to kill his son. Did he? No. We were commanded by God in the old testament to have sacrifices of sheep. Yet now we don't. Why can't they have been told that they don't need polygamy anymore. FLDS ont he other hand seems to have missed that memo. Them I would call a cult.

 

Not sure what definition you used since you didn't like it, but I'll go with Merriam Webster

5a is also applicable, Smith and the Book of Mormon. Given it's newness (relative to major world religions), not all that hard to label it as a fad.

 

Alright, let's see.
1. All religions. (I should say, all that I know of)
2. All Religions
3. Aren't Catholics considered unorthodox because of all their saints and they kinda have saint worship?
4. Doesn't really apply, I think.
5. a Great devotion... for Jesus Christ? The Cross? The Bible? Your pick.
5. b. I'm not actually sure how this works into it, but I think I can defer this to 4. Maybe I just don't get what it means.
5. c. Mormanism is not small, doesn't apply.
Next?

 

If you want to make a case that all religions are cults that's perfectly fine with me, but you have to do so with the understanding that LDS gets lumped in and you've destroyed your own point...

If I want to take the Christian position to fight the orthodoxy battle, they recognize Jesus Chris as the savior but do not follow the biblical doctrine and instead have turned to idolizing Smith and his teachings.

Look if you want to follow the teachings of a guy who from the last couple of centuries who read stuff, that he conveniently was the only one who could read then that's your thing, but don't be surprised when that gets compared to Branch Dividian folks...

 

The all religions thing was actually something I thought was kinda funny, that's the only reason I pointed that out.

They study the New testament every third year. The other two years, they study the Old testament and the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith is considered a great prophet as well as Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, Lowrenzo Snow, Joseph F. Smith, ****r J. Grant, George Albert Smith, David O'Mckay, Joseph Feilding Smith, Harold B. Lee, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Bensen, Howard W. Hunter, Gordon B. Hinkley, and Thomas S. Monson. Joseph Smith is one of the favorites, because we know his story best, but usually depending on the person you ask, their other favorite is whichever one they grew up on, or the current one. (Sometimes both)

God wanted people to believe because of faith, not because they saw. Similar to the Arc of the Covanent, except people weren't even allowed to touch that.

 

Funny... but since it's subjective it's not wrong either. Shame you blew up your entire argument by uttering it. =\

You have a dog in the race and have likely experience a lifetime of indoctrination that there's no chance I'm going to overcome here, nor do I even desire to, but the oddities of your faith are clear to those of us who can view it objectively.

Postmortem baptism, Jesus turning the natives brown, historically embracing polygamy and elevating Smith to the level of prophet are all unorthodox practices. Like I said, if you want to follow a false prophet that's entirely up to you, but that's exactly what the folks in Waco were doing.

 

Here's something that really makes it not a cult for me. We really let people choose. We don't expect people to just follow. We're actually taught that if we need to, we should pray about it. Converts are expected to pray for their answer. Even if you grow up in the church you're expected to decide for yourself. I didn't grow up in the church at all, I was converted a few years ago. So really, I remember living before. Of course, I guess I can still be "indoctrinated" but I think I'm better off, whether mormonism is "a cult" or not. I'm sorry that you feel I can't be a member of a real religion, though Hinduism is still considered a relgion, as is paganism, but mine is a cult.

 

That has nothing to do with the definition of the term though. Wiccans don't force their beliefs on their followers either, but similarly doesn't mean it isn't one.

The two aren't mutually exclusive; all cults are religions, all religions aren't cults and the dividing line is murky at best. As mentioned, the definition is subjective and I've outlined my reasons for saying that LDS is a cult, it's not an insult mind you, just a term to define certain religious sects that happens to carry some negative connotations based on groups associated with the term.

Just as I do with my faith, I urge other to do with theirs, try and see it through the eyes of someone else, make an attempt at being objective and see where it leads.

 

Thanks for the advice, and in my previous post I explained that I had looked at it from the perspective of the world. I still decided to convert. Maybe you need to meet some mormans and see what they believe. Really. You'll likely see a little past your "term to define certain religious sects". By the way, saying it has negative connotations means I'm going to take it as an insult. I think you need to find a new word if you don't want that.

 

I've met many Mormons, all incredibly pleasant people and I've not a bad thing to say about any of them. I just find their beliefs to be very strange and that it has similarities with other religions founded in the past ~200 years.

Unfortunately, it's exactly that dialog that lead me to where I am now and the position that I hold. Like I said before, wonderful people with some (in my opinion) weird beliefs.

But please realize it's not being cast at you, only at the things which you choose to believe in, I of course realize that may impact you personally, for that I'm sorry, you seem nice, but I cannot logically retract my position.

 

Personally, I believe that that is because the devil is trying to turn others away from the truth by letting them look at a whole bunch of other examples of what seems similar but is not. He is the great imitator. I understand that it's a bit different. But when you really understand everything, it does make some sense. Really. Message me some of your questions, I would love to help you make sense of the message we really believe. I'm not an illogical person - I don't just believe for no reason. I've put quite a lot of thought into this.

 

Could someone, especially a traditional christian levy the same claim in regards to Smith and his church? Of course they could, again a matter of perspective.

As mentioned, it's your faith and your welcome to it. So far as I can tell that particular church produces a lot of neighborly and nice people (why that's the case I have no idea) so whether I think the beliefs are strange or not really doesn't matter if the outcome is positive.

 

That was why I said personally.

I just dislike it when someone puts something that directly goes against my church's teaching: saying we're a cult or not Christian. It just bothers me because I wonder what we ever did to them.

 

You have a stake in the game, so of course you take it personally, but you really shouldn't. Your church isn't you.

For the traditional christian they'd accuse you of idol worship, that's not me though. I use the phrase cult because by the definition of the term, it fits; not because I have any desire to slander.

Mormons are almost always nice, but very naive in regards to their understanding of the perception by the rest of the country.

 

idol worship? they dont worship idols

 

That's only true if you think Smith was an actual prophet. Otherwise, worshipping him and his dogma is clearly idolatry.

 

so something thats not the law of the land

 

no one worships smith

 

We don't worship Smith. We worship Christ. And just so you know, for Mormans. They're religion is really closely tied to them. I'd be alright if you said that Joseph Smith was a man and made mistakes, because we know he did with somethings. Sometimes he didn't understand. But the religion behind him wasn't flawed. We never worshipped Joseph Smith.

 

That his words are used as religious text would certainly not be consistent with that.

 

Which ones? Which of his words do we use as religious text?

 

Exactly how many years have to pass before its no longer a 'fad'.

lets call the founding of the LDS to be 1830. That is 170 years.

The Pentacostal date to about 1900.

the Methodist church goes back to John Wesley- around 1800.

The Quakers about 50 years before that.

Seventh Day Adventist date to 1863.

Guess lots of folks are members of cults and don't even know it.