Will the Left ever acknowledge the difference between immigrants and illegal aliens?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    You deny the truth?
     
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    The super rich international mega corporations such as in Silicon Valley, Google, Amazon, etc absolutely want 3 things:

    1. To continue to suck money out of the USA thru foreign sweatshop production
    2. To minimize wages and prevent unionization for American employees by assuring a massive glut of people in the labor pool by millions and millions of immigrants
    3. That to deal with all the Americans with no employment - now nearly 100,000,000, because of this they demand that the government take money from those Americans who still do have jobs and give it to those 100,000,000 Americans with no income due to globalization.

    The DNC, Democrat politicians and Republican politicians - along now with millions of Democrats - worship and given those corporations anything they want and agree with anything their corporate public relation firms - such as CNN, NBC, ABC, NTY, LAT etc present those elite super rich and their international corporations want - which is corporate fascism that they completely control.
     
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    Yeah the GOP loves illegal immigration. I agree
     
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    Certainly most Democrats hate Obama for that, don't they? At least you, don't you? His deporting people only trying to survive because Obama is a fascist racist and bigoted neo-nazi nationalist certainly outraged you, correct?

    Or do you deny the truth in pure hypocrisy and faux ranting against President Trump?

    Which one is it?
     
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    President Trump and his supporters do not. The Democratic Party and its supporters do, except when President Obama said not to and then they didn't. Many to most Democrats think and do as they are told - and rant accordingly, often opposite what they were ranting about the year before, whatever they are told to think and do.
     
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    The GOP does too. They refuse to even try to pass mandatory everify. They love illegals

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    I love that Obama deported illegals. Why wouldn't I?
     
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    You don't have very much company on that boat.
     
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    Pulllleeeeeezzzzeee Abagail!!!!!

    Do you think Donny Jr. thinks about a $10k fine? Hell, his dad blows through more than that every month in mousse and hair pills every week. But stick Donny Jr. or one of the Waltons in a federal prison? Now we got it going on!
     
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    So tell me, Matilda, how do you distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.

    Now here's the rules.

    You're the federal government
    You have to enforce federal law
    You cannot break federal law
    You cannot commit violations of people's rights.

    You may not:
    Stop them based on appearance or dress
    Stop them based on language or accent
    Stop or detain without probable cause

    We're turning you loose in Denver. ID those illegals....

    Ready....Set...GO!!!!
     
  10. Kode

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    LOL!!! :roflol: Right, and college professors always rely on critical thinking to talk of logic, facts, and quotes so they are able to be liberals. :roflol:



    -And to preserve a very useful subject for campaigning.



    Yes, being illegal and seeking work "under the table" they undercut wages, keep Americans' wages low, and are subjected to all sorts of abuse (threats, failure to pay wages, etc.)

    Making them legal would end all these negatives for everyone. But they remain pawns of the government and right wing manipulations and it keeps the harm to Americans in place. So the right and the government are as guilty of suppressing wages as the illegals are, -in fact moreso because the government is in charge and causing it with the backing of the right that keeps it controversial by griping about it while nothing is done. The right thing to do is to provide citizenship to those with good track records who have been here for years, and those with persuasive reasons to stay, and deport the rest.



    I don't suppose you know that many illegals are threatened by bosses to force them to work for low wages, and that many are screwed out of wages entirely because they have no where to go to make a complaint. It works both ways.



    You have little company. Most Americans have reasonable compassion for those with good histories.



    Remember that just 29% of the voting-age public voted for him.

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    I think you meant "undocumented immigrant" which has been used for years.
     
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    Cut off benefits and the birthright clause. Require strict confirmation of identity for routine activities (online database).

    Deport every single one caught. Require local law enforcement to to hold them for deportation when caught for other reasons.

    Make sending money out of the country more difficult.

    Make anyone who overstays a work visa, etc ineligible for re entry or citizenship.

    And make an example out of every employer caught.

    We have done something like this before, this isn't an insurmountable problem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
     
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    Used to irritate me when media would fail to make a distinction between legal and illegal when it was very clear which group they were talking about. I come to realize it is just another tool to use to determine the bias of the source. With nearly all media these days having an agenda knowing where they are coming from is important in establishing how much credibility you can give to any given piece.

    I don't see a real problem with lefties having a problem being against illegal immigration any more than nighties having a problem with legal immigrants. It is mostly a game played by the media and used by those in power to widen the divide.
     
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    Princess, I'm all for perp-walking a few CEOs on the nightly news. Again, not the topic of this thread, but I'd be happy to support enhancing IRCA to include jail time for unscrupulous employers.
     
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    It has to be a multifaceted approach to be sure. That means cutting off the demand as well as the supply.
     
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    Except words matter. An illegal alien is no more an immigrant than a toaster is a televangelist.
     
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    If Trump has his way, the US military may be used to regulate a lot more than guest workers. i.e. Free Speech...
     
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    Soon he will burn down the White House, blame it on the Martians, send an invasion force, and conquer the galaxy. Unless the blue haired, multi-piercing SJWs saves us all with their chants about 'Hey hey. Ho ho. No Fascism. No Hate. No KKK. Hey hey... ho ho..."
     
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    If so then you are focused on the wrong word.
     
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    #FAIL

    You didn't say how you differentiate between an illegal and legal alien.

    Thanks for playing. We have a great consolation prize where you get to defend a gay pedophile doing the keynote at CPAC.
     
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    Don't tell me Abby! Tell TrumpCo and get ready to be labeled an anti-business lib!

    The response, was to a comment concerning current laws regarding employment of illegals. So, complain there.
     
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    You can label me whatever you want, Sugarpants. This does not change the fact that most leftists intentionally omit the word illegal when discussing immigration.

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    Please enlighten me.
     
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    "MOST" leftists? "Fact"? "Fact that MOST leftists..."

    No. Not most. Few. Prove otherwise. Show us some statistics. Or is this just another right wing opinion?
     
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    Lolz, I guess its impossible to tell from someones ID and background checks if they are illegal.

    So we should open the border and start bussing em in.
     
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    Open a newspaper. Read a quote from Elizabeth Warren, Eric Garcetti, or read the signs at the rallies that say "no one is illegal." That you are trying to deny this is actually quite amusing.

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    If a couple from China came to America and had children here. Those children are Americans not immigrant's. The parent's might not be able to become president, but the children can. Thus Americans, not immigrant's. This is a nation of Americans not immigrant's, it's one of the major ideas of America.
     

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