Will the Left ever acknowledge the difference between immigrants and illegal aliens?

Deport them immediately if they have broken the law and overstayed their permit. Why do you think there would be another answer?

 

Yep

Introduce bills to HEAVILY punish and curb hiring of illegals and I would LOVE..Just LOVE to see republican leaders votes and thoughts on it

 

You didn't pay much attention to the news on that issue.

1 Obama really defined deportations to include those apprehended at the border and immediately turned back, which had never counted in deportation statistics before.

2 in the last couple of years Obama ordered catch and release in which those apprehended at the border were allowed to claim asylum and we're immediately released into the interior.

Obama effectively overrode our laws and had an open borders policy. But you wouldn't know that if you get news from the MSM.

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Well have some good laws . Just need to enforce them. Put some employers in jail, dry up the jobs.

 

Answer my question first.

 

I thought there might be another answer because the responsibility rests with the government to make and enforce laws, and the government has been looking the other way for 30 years, thus sending the message that it's ok to settle here. And now you are saying the illegals should be in all cases penalized for the government's failures and omissions.

Your government has a hand in this. Your government is guilty too, and more guilty than the illegals because it is the government's job to handle it. And it didn't.



So, what's the difference between the positions of the left and the right on this?... The left sees it in it's complexity complete with nuance, logic, with compassion, and with reason and knows each case must be handled separately. And the right sees in in stark black-and-white blindness with a harsh lack of compassion to match. But of course, in order to justify itself and feel unjustifiably superior, the right must also invent stories of conspiracies and intent and lies about voter fraud to lay on the left because without all that the right would be seen for what it is.

 

Any person illegally in the country, no matter the circumstances needs to leave voluntarily or be forcibly deported.

Clear enough?

 

Yup. See post 30.

 

According to Federal law, it's a civil violation. It is not criminal.

 

Well I think the biggest factor is that the US has a labor shortage, especially in construction and agriculture. We've experienced an entire quarter of our crops rotting in the field simply from not having enough workers to bring in the harvest. This labor shortage applies to both immigrants and illegal immigrants, so the argument then is we are in need of both. More than this is the expense of deporting them vs allowing them to stay, deporting them not only makes our labor shortage worse, but it costs us around $12,000 to $13,000 for each individual who is deported. This is also why the areas of the country that actually have illegal immigrants are less willing to partake in mass deportation. They see greater positive economic impact in allowing them to stay than they do from deporting them

 

How do you think the IRS would treat you and me if our only crime was not paying taxes for 25 or 30 years?

 

But they want to, remember? They want to sell citizenship for a $4000 tax.

 

Well stated and oh so true!

 

What makes you think there has ever been a shortage of labor in construction?

 

Why can't we solve our labor shortage with a well regulated guest worker program. Maybe we can use our well regulated militia to keep the guest workers well regulated.

 

what illegals?

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bingo that

 

Well that law already exists. It's just rarely enforced. But that is not the topic of this thread, is it?

 

First offense is a civil infraction. Subsequent offenses rise to felony levels.

 

The individual who knowingly breaks the law is still responsible for breaking the law no matter how many years he has successfully gotten away with it.

 

That is what I call shutting off the magnet.

 

Because there's a labor shortage in construction

http://fortune.com/2016/09/06/housing-construction-worker-shortage/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-housing-labor-idUSKCN11C0F7
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-construction-labor-shortage-0531-biz-20160531-story.html
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2013/09/06/cautious-builders-doing-more-with-fewer-workers.html

The worker permit solution is the best solution I know of, we make getting a worker's permit a short and easy process, and we use the permit application as a criminal background check. We then use the worker permit to make sure they abide by our labor laws and pay their taxes according to their incomes. We need the labor and they need the work, and it would save us time and money.

 

The left always wants to talk about nuance and complexity in order to be able to avoid the truth and enact their preferred policies.

Yes the GOVERNMENT failed to enforce immigration law. They made noises, they blustored, they promised results every time there was an uprising by ordinary people on the issue, but they never really followed through leaving what Peggy Noonan calls the "protected" class to profit and the ordinary people to suffer lower wages, degraded communities, crowded and expensive schools, overcrowded public health systems, and more crime.

Sympathy for illegal aliens forgets the damage their presence causes ordinary people. It also forgets the huge benefits illegal aliens gain from a presence in the US they stole from its citizens and from people who are going through the process legally.

They need to go. All of them. And because they jumped the line they should never be let back in.

Donald Trump is President because government wouldn't enforce our sovereignty. All the swells in the establishment who didn't respect and protect that sovereignty got a big middle finger in the person of Trump because he ignored PC and listened to the people.

 

What's worse is that lefties now deny illegal alien status altogether, their new term is 'unauthorized immigrant' which cannot be found anywhere within the immigration law. Its the newest attempt to confuse Americans by attempting to soften the image of the criminal aliens. Liberals have become even more unscrupulous and moronic since Trump stomped on them, but its getting old...

 

No. They want to import a population that provides them lower cost services than Americans command. They expect these imported folks will need greater social services, and many of them are employed in positions that live off the cashflow of providing social services, and as the face of those that provide these social services, they expect the political support of these folks.

So, essentially they are taking our money in order to reduce our political voice and cut our wages.

And they cannot be talked out of this, they cannot be reasoned with, they can only be defeated.

 

But....wait....the GOP wants illegals. Doesn't matter what trump says he wants

 

You mean former President Obama, who is so openly and intensely hated by millions of Democrats and by the DNC because he was a Nazi fascist racist and bigot worst that Hitler deporting more illegal migrants than President Bush has or President Trump is? At least all the mass protests by millions of Democrats and Latinos against President Obama deporting people finally stopped.