Woman gets tased, hand-cuffed, and arrested for "not wearing a mask."

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  1. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have severe congestive heart failure, and for number of reasons I can have difficulty breathing at times. A mask adds some difficulty, but if a person practices breathing a little deeper and a little slower, oxygenation can be maintained easily. Everyone should practice that for any altitude driving or bad air anyway.

    But to pull the mask down, both to take a drug and to return breath is usually easy and manageable.

    But this Karen in question, she had no interest in any of that. She had no mask. She had no problem with breathing (walking into the area and to the bleachers she was fine!). She was fine to spew her COVID into the people around her, were they ALL willing participants to her spittle?

    She had plenty of breath to scream and cry and fight. She had all of her lame excuses ready.

    This had apparent friends making flame excuses in the videos, and careful views as well.

    A sudden attack of asthma is understandable, but fake, BS to try to undermine legitimate health issues is a usual ploy from the Right.

    Along with Righties here they were promoting to undermine society's support to working dogs and animals to help people with disabilities with happy lies to fake making difficult life more difficult!

    As the Trump and Trump's supporters' efforts usually do to screw everyone else to their own advantage.
     
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    Such a sniped response to a post that is solely based on facts, and take a non-opinion position. I have clearly shown that I do not know who was at fault in that situation. I have said that if the woman can not prove that she does have asthma, then she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I even pointed to the fact that this woman has not made a public statement about the arrest to the media or on social media, and that indicates that she was lying. I also pointed out that if she had an inhaler on her at the time, then the officer violated her rights given to her under both the Governor's Mask Mandate issued in July and the OHSAA rules issued by the Governor in August. So, I stand by my original statement that either side could be at fault in this situation. Yet, you still want to argue.

    In my original post on this thread, I stated that all the officer had to do was ask the woman her show her inhaler. That would have cleared up the whole thing very quickly. If she had an inhaler, then she is covered by the exemption, but if she did not have an inhaler, then she can not support her claim of having asthma. So, we are on the same page based on that.

    In the first post of mine that you responded to, you quoted an article that you said applied to the situation. It didn't. First, the article was published two days after the incident in Logan, OH. Second, it relied on another article published the same day. A link to that article was provided in the article you quoted. But you obviously did not follow that link. You took the article that you quoted at face value. If you had followed the link to the second article, you would have seen that what was quoted was directed to schools with small gymnasiums, and was actually addressing how many students could attend. In that second article, there was a link to the actual Governor's rules that he published for the OHSAA. (I should also point out that you claimed that the start of the OP video contained a segment of the woman walking in wearing a mask. I challenged you to provide what ever source you were using, and you did not.)

    Finally, on this thread, I have not challenged the necessity, nor the effectiveness of masks. I merely explained that this situation illustrates why there is a protest against masks. The Governor put out the mandates, and then has added a stipulations to the exceptions that were not contained in the mandate. That creates confusion. No different then the WHO, CDC and Dr. Fauci's statements that have changed. When you dealing with a pandemic, confusion is the last thing you want or need.

    Now, I do not know what state you live in, and frankly, I don't care. Mandates very state to state. If you live in Ohio then your position does speak volumes about you. You would deny the right of a parent to watch their children to participate in activities just because they have a disability. I would suggest that you read the ADA. Such a restriction is a clear violation of the law. So, you can continue to be a sheep if you want, but I prefer to support the laws of this country.

    I will leave you the final word on the subject.
     
  3. rkhames

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    The ADA requires theaters to provide handicap access and seating. Are handicap people required to watch movies? No. The ADA is not limited only to necessities. It is designed to allow a person with disabilities the same access and advantages as a person without disabilities. BTW, I checked. There is no provision to suspending any portion of the ADA for a pandemic.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You could turn your guess about masks into a factual statement if there were anything in the US Constitution about the government having the power to tell citizens what to wear.

    There is nothing in that constitution granting the government such power, so your guess is wrong. If you think you're right, find that place in the document. It ain't there cowboy. :D
     
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    I don't need the document. I have precedent. *smiley face* lol.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's the way to do it Cowboy--don't do your own research, place your faith in what those talking heads tell you. :applause:
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Lol. I have no time for research at the moment, much less talking heads. Look up the woman who was quarantined during W Bush.
     
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    Many activities and businesses in many states have been shut down due to the pandemic. I do not think that the act grants someone with a disability the privilege of spreading a disease in deference to their affliction. But I could be wrong.
     
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    Again, the ADA has no provisions for suspending the ADA for a pandemic. Therefore, the fact that other business are closing does not change that law. Further, you might be interested to know that the laws dealing with the stopping the spread of communicable diseases calls for quarantining the sick, and not the healthy. Therefore, there is no law that allows for forcing businesses to close, or for quarantining of the sick. You could even argue that a "Stay Home Order" constitutes a house arrest, and therefore they are a specific violation of the laws dealing with Communicable diseases. (Or it would be if not for subsection (e) of the law. Can you explain why?)
     
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    If she had been wearing a mask, she would not have been hand-cuffed tased and arrested. So it has nothing to do with trespassing, as you falsely claim, but all about the mask, or the lack thereof. Trespassing was just a ruse to inflict the tyranny they inflicted, because there is no law, and thus no legal penalty for not wearing a mask. Our country's foundation was built on freedom, not the tyranny you seem all too eager to impose.

    Furthermore, she was not there to be "served," but to peacefully and legally watch her son's sporting event, the same right everyone else had who were sitting thereof.
     
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    She was free to do so, she was free to say she had a medical alert card or bracelet but from the reporting she would have to be wearing a face shield at that event and if you read the order it says if there is a conflict between the state order and a local rule the more restrictive will apply, additional rules for athletics events says "face coverings" not necessarily mask

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    https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/static...-Youth-Collegiate-Amateur-Club-Pro-Sports.pdf


    and again this is not about the effectiveness of either.

    Now you tell me if someone at a public school football games is asked to comply with the rules of attendance and they refuse, then what is to be done? What if she had been drinking a beer and was asked to leave and she refused and resisted?
     
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    If she had vacated the stadium she would not have been hand-cuffed and tased, it was not about the mask. She was not arrest for not wearing a mask.
     
  13. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    You left out the part where a rule is not a law, you left out the part where breaking a rule is not a criminal offense, you left out the part where the 300-pound gorilla assaulted her before she had a chance to do anything; you left out the part where they tased her, handcuffed her, and arrested her for breaking no law whatsoever, and for doing nothing that would warrant such abusive behavior on the part of those who inflicted it.

    And you call me a liar? You just made yourself a one, and a tyrannical one a that.
     
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    Ask a black person that question.

    More over, were the police enforcing the law? Did she do what the police asked? So what should have happened then? I mean, it's the right that's the party of law and order so I expect them to applaud and support the police 100% here.
     
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    This woman is still alive, so yeah, her life matters still.
     
  16. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    She had no reason to vacate the stadium, other than to flee the abusive tyranny that people like you were so eager to inflict. But how was she to know that such abusive tyrants even existed?
     
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    Is that the question your rich-white liberal masters ask you to ask?
     
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    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Are you part of the Antifa Soros funded radical indoctrination camp?
     
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    You should probably live alone on a deserted island.
     
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    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Better for you to quarantine yourself; so the rest of society can live their lives free of your tyranny.
     
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    And so do 99.999999% of blacks who come into contact with cops. And their lives have mattered the same as anyone else’s for the last 50 years. Your point?
     
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    So we can gallop around naked?
     
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    Where is it written that anyone has a right to attend a football game without following the rules of behavior that are clearly laid out?
     
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    You are the one who wants to avoid rules and laws.
     
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    Ah, so next time a black man is shot and killed for resisting arrest, you will defend the black man, and not the cop, right?
     

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