Would a Basic Minimum Income dramatically reduce abortions?

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Will a Minimum Basic Income dramatically reduce the incidence of abortions?

  1. Perhaps by 1- 10 percent over the present rate.

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  2. Perhaps by 11 to twenty percent over the present rate.

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  3. Perhaps twenty one to thirty percent over the present rate.

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  4. Perhaps by even more than by thirty percent?

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    So, women are supposed to forego sex unless they're prepared to give birth?
     
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    The most common emotion women have following an abortion is relief.
     
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    Uber low interest rates pumps up asset values. They're a mixed blessing.
     
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    The recipients may be better off, but someone else will be worse off.
     
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    How would you organize society when in a few decades millions of workers will be permanently idled by quantum computing, artificial intelligence and high-speed wireless communication?
     
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    No, Roe v. Wade was the proverbial "half a loaf" because abortion should never been illegal. Women were controlled by men when they made abortion illegal in the first place.

    There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution about abortion, unborn children...
     
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    Nothing in the Constitution permitting it either.
     
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    The woman's right to control her body.
     
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    That occurs nowhere in the Constitution and you well know it.
     
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    ~ Unfortunately I believe those who need the money most would likely make more children — not have abortions. Even in Canada ... :flagcanada:
     
  11. LangleyMan

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    I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution. We have limited government and the essence of the Constitution is circumscribing government while outlining how it is to operate.

    If government can invent rights for the fetus, what would prevent government from sacrificing pregnant women on behalf of "unborn children?"
     
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    I don't believe humans will be reduced to idle consumers.
     
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    Neither quantum computing nor artificial intelligence exist yet. Might in the future. Or might not.
     
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    Based on what? Changing technology will make training and supervising workers more expensive than automating many jobs even if workers are unpaid.
     
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    Artificial intelligence already exists and quantum computing is on the way.
     
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    True. Workers performing mechanical tasks will be replaced.
     
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    Prove it. Post some verifiable links.
     
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    Also others. Computers can already do the work of radiologists.
     
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    You didn't read them, did you?
     
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    I read the wikipedia one. Want me to quote from it?
     
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    Be my guest. Remember what I wrote: "Artificial intelligence already exists and quantum computing is on the way."

    We need to begin a societal discussion on how we might approach a future when millions of workers will be superfluous. The connection between work and individual initiative has been at the heart of how our society operates for longer than we've been a nation.
     
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    The wikipedia entry that you put the link to says that some doubt that quantum computing will ever be viable.
     
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    What I very much like about this is that it is oriented to understanding why women choose abortion and working to find solutions.

    The US direction of laws against women just ignores the roots of the issue, as if all women are alike in all dimensions - which we KNOW is absolutely false.

    The result is a complete lack of interest in what women face plus laws that totally ignore realities.
     

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