WWII - Eastern Front - General Remer

...Are You crawling away from these question?

2...Hitler seized not only Sudetenland (with the Germans ) , Hitler seized the whole of Czechoslovakia (without the Germans ) .

How can you justify this seizure?

1..Sudeten never belonged to Germany.

2...My question was not about the Sudetenland.
My question is about the rest of Czechoslovakia.(read more carefully please. )

.................so... ?

 

Have patience, Mister Rus!!! Moscow wasn't built in one day either!
In the meantime you may amuse yourself about Hitler's visits to the Sudentenland...

http://thirdreichruins.com/czech.htm

 

O.k., in the meantime I got it figured out - Czechoslovakia is a creation of the Versailles Treaty.
It was never a country of itself. The ethnic Germans felt unsafe and threatened in Czechoslovakia, and the way it was divided made little sense. Besides Sudentenland, Hitler took another part over as well to minimize future disputes. Read especially the in red highlighted Sentences below.

Some smart guy from the Yahoo Forum figured it all out:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090225101514AA2SysK

Mr. Himpfelwitz is wrong, believing Hitler would have eliminated tens of millions more people.

And, Mr. RUS, does this explanation answer your question and does it make sense to you?

 

2...Hitler seized not only Sudetenland (with the Germans ) , Hitler seized the whole of Czechoslovakia (without the Germans ) .

How can you justify this seizure?

Yes it is. Thank you.
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Hitler's main engine was the slogan "Drang nach Osten."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drang_nach_Osten

The conquest of Lebensraum for the Germans in the east. ( all Poland and western part of Russia to the Volga River. + the oil of the Caucasus.
Everything else - the lyrics.

 

Two interesting facts I'd like to share with you in terms of those questions you posed:

1. The name Sudeten evolved out of the end of WW1, so it didn't even exist 21 years prior to getting conquered.

2. Czechoslovakia was a goldmine economically speaking prior to WW2. Especially the territory what is now the Czech Republic was highly industrialized at the time and the Skoda factories were the main prize Germany's economy needed and wanted. The entire German army would have had problems conquering the Czech territory because it was build as a modern day fortress along the German border. Once Austria got overrun by Nazi-Germany, the German army had a highway from the south to overrun the country. With the fall of the Sudetenland, the defense of Czechoslovakia was gone, and became an easy victim.

This territory was seized for economic reasons and because the Czechoslovak army with it's defensive capabilities could have caused the German army problems in their march towards other countries. You see Germany had a bad experience with the Netherlands/Holland in WW1 which they left neutral. The country caused all kinds of problems behind the front lines and it was one of the reasons that it got invaded in WW2 when the German's opposition was France, not the Dutch. Back then the geopolitical efforts were hidden under a nationalistic or ideological banner....

These days our countries act much more openly with these kinds of geopolitical efforts. In fact, countries get overrun by the superpowers and forced to cooperate with the superpower's war effort much more openly than it was done before. Think of air-space usage of foreign countries these days in Syria for example...

 

What a brilliant piece of Nazi propaganda. Surprising somebody still eats it.

 

You took that sentence out of context and I have no clue where it comes from, who said it and when. If you would like a response from me, then, please, quote the whole post. I don't feel inclined to search through all my posts for that particular sentence.

 

"countries" does not "cooperate" in Syria. in Syria it is the opposition.

 

You're missing the point, and also, I didn't claim that. You took three words out of two sentences to make that claim.

Syria is a modern day example of how much a war can make them loose the jurisdiction of their own country. In this case, the point was not about Syria's government, but rather war effort and interest's of foreign countries. Wether it's Russian, American, French, Saudi, Iraqi, Irani, etc. interference is irrelevant. The point is, that all these countries can do so openly for their geopolitical reasons and have the support of their own people in their own countries for these efforts. In WW2 this usually had to be done under the moniker of an ideology or a nationality or something like that.

 

Now the same thing.
In fact, Putin in Syria:
1 ... playing against a gas pipeline from Qatar.
2 ... broke the boycott after the Crimea back to Russia.

Ideological cover = fight against ISIS on the distant approaches.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
In fact, Obama in Syria, Iraq, Libya plays against Europe.
...that Europe came chaos.
...that Europe does not become independent from USA
...that Europe came to the USA as a son to a father.
Ideological cover: the protection of liberal democratic values.

Both Putin and Obama reached his real goals.

 

Unfortunately, you still don't understand my point, and I don't know how else to explain it to you.

 

It comes from your post #1.

 

O.k., I found it. It comes from the interview with General Remer and he answers:

"Your question, whether we called the Russians "subhumans," is nonsense. We had a first-class relationship with the Russian people. The only exception, which was a problem we dealt with, was with the Soviet Commissars, who were all Jews."

I know a little, heartwarming story told by a young German Wehrmacht soldier from the Ostfront. He and his fellow comrades came battle weary to a village, looking for some kind of shelter for the night. And as they came into this village, the people stood outside their houses and greeted them friendly. A Russian mother pulled the wool cap off her son's head and gave it to the young German soldier, because he had nothing on his head in the cold.

I have kept that story in my heart for many years. Such kindness in the middle of a brutal war... like a delicate flower in a field of rubble.

So, Mr. First, you may stick your "Nazi Propaganda" behind your ear!

 

That happened in territories occupied by the Soviet Union, where people thought that the Germans would liberate them from Russian opression. Primarily that was seen in the Baltic and in the Ukraine territory. Later even in the Kaukasus. These people didn't know that the SS would treat them even worse than the Russians did. As you pointed out, the Wehrmacht soldiers at the front line might have seen these gestures but it was the SS who occupied and then the attitude towards the Germans would change quickly.

 

You were there, I guess?

 

well, the SS were very evil, very sick, very small men

 

I was there just as much as you were.

 

so this man, was a little Nazi puke, who should have been aborted long ago

 

Smart answer!! But I talked to someone live who was there!

 

Congratulations. I bet they are much harder to find where you live. I had quite a few interviews with people on the eastern front. People where I was from got drafted into the German army starting in 1941 as soon as Yugoslavia surrendered. My family lived in the territory Hitler tried to make "German again" so many poor souls had to follow the quest. My father's uncle actually survived the ordeal, and had to walk home from Russia. Took him a few years, and he went mad as a result of it. He died a few years after he returned. He kept jumping out of bed, acting like he was shooting, crying in the closet, the whole 9 yards.

As I see it, the worst if you survived as a soldier in WW2 was being French. Because there was a section of "la grande armée" which got drafted into the Waffen SS; Few people realize that many of the soldiers fighting in the Waffen SS to protect Hitler in 1945 happen to be French. Of these, some went into Russian prison camps, had to be released because they were French, and once they returned home they were "collaborators with the Nazis" and social outcasts. As a result many continued their service this time for the French army (again) and got put as Legionnaires into South East Asia, continuing battle into the 50s. So if you were truly unlucky as a Frenchmen you got drafted in the late 30s and got home in the mid 50s surrounded by death the entire time, and once you got home, you were a social outcast. There are quite a few brilliant diaries and biographies of these poor souls who went through so much insanity and death that it's hard to believe they survived and maintained some level of sanity.

Somewhere down the list were the people from my neck of the woods. They were drafted by the early 40s went to the Ostfront, became POW, were then forced to fight alongside Russians, being considered "Slavs" from Yugoslavia, then switching armies somewhere around 1945 to the Partisans and until 1948 being sentenced for being German soldiers, and after 1948 for being Russian soldiers. Some were imprisoned until the 80s. There were some Slovene and comedies made in the 60s (luckily the language was different from Croatian or Serbian to avoid sentences) in which the path of these people was shown, and how they had to act like the biggest idiots from 1945 onwards to avoid being imprisoned after being send to Stalingrad fighting Russians, and then spending 2 years as Russian soldiers returning. As you can imagine "catering" (provisions) were horrible either way, and particularly for foreign soldiers who were forced to fight anyhow.

I got to talk to maybe a handful of people who went thru that, however they didn't want to share nor talk in great detail.

 

Nice story.

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You are rude!
That has earned you a place on my ignore list.

 

praising Nazism and the Holocaust, is also rude

 

You are mistaken; The SS height requirement in 1938 was 178 cm (5 feet 10 inches) for the Leibstandarte, 174 cm (5 feet 8.5 inches) for Deutschland and Germania and 172cm (5 feet 7.7 inches) for other branches.


Some were not even men.

 

they were all criminals and all deserved to be hanged