WWII - Eastern Front - General Remer

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    The Americans have no reason to hate Hitler and the SS.... because Hitler did not bomb the New York like London and Coventry.
    SS did not destroy the Americans because they are Americans, like SS destroyed the Jews, because they are just Jews.
    SS did not burn the American villages, like SS burned a Russian villages.

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    You sharpie.
    You shuddered card.
    You put on the same level, the German people and Hitler with his "Multicultural Wehrmacht & Waffen SS."

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    By the way. Russian does not build the house of "cow dung and clay". In Russia, it is impossible. In Russia, too cold and damp.
    Russian build houses of logs.

    .In this topic, you are talking through one's hat. ( if to put it mildly )

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    Russian town Zhizdra.
    Before retreating..... SS invaders systematically destroyed the city for two weeks , burning it on a quarterly basis, the stone houses and the church exploded. There have also been poisoned wells, roads and sidewalks mined. August 1943
     
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    Have you been drinking?

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    Have you been drinking?
     
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    :flagus::salute::machinegun: Nazi SS War Criminals
     
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    London and Coventry were strikes out of retaliation, because the UK was bombing German cities for 3 months (!!) already.

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    Hitler Responds to Churchill's - HQ

    Hitler infamous speech given on September 4th, 1940, in Berlin.

    Hitler instructed his Generals and Officers to conduct this war in a humane manner, Churchill on the other hand wanted to target civilians. Hitler's response is brutal but honest: bomb us and we will bomb you!

    [video=youtube;gXobjJhUpWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXobjJhUpWE[/video]
     
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    It was common war-tactic to burn down houses and facilities so the advancing army could not make use of it.

    Besides that, the Soviet housing wasn't all that special either, mostly cheap and simple wooden structures which they easily could rebuild.
    Nothing compared to German standards of housing.
     
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    The Americans have no reason to hate Hitler and the SS.... because Hitler did not bomb the New York like London and Coventry.
    SS did not destroy the Americans because they are Americans, like SS destroyed the Jews, because they are just Jews.
    SS did not burn the American villages, like SS burned a Russian villages.

    Sorry.I have got it now . The first item was withdrawn.
    The second remains in force.
    The third item....

    Can You to tell it to them ?

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    And the main thing. The main point remains valid too.

     
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    Some interesting tidbits about Churchill and Stalin, both determined to do Hitler in! And, as we know, together they succeeded with the help of Roosevelt.
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    Churchill meets Stalin in Moscow - August 12th, 1942

    Their talk is mainly all about opening a second front in France in the fall of 1942, which Roosevelt had earlier promised to Molotov in order to help Stalin and ease the load of the Red Army. The trouble was, the Allies didn't keep their promise and upset Stalin to the point he wouldn't trust them anymore. Roosevelt had deliberately misled the Soviets. And they continued that deceit through 1943… they were stringing the Russians along because they were apprehensive that Stalin might be tempted to make a separate peace with Hitler if they didn’t.’

    The increasingly bad atmosphere between the Soviets and the West was not helped by the fact that in July 1942 the British suspended aid convoys to the Soviet Union as the result of the devastating losses of PQ 17 – of the 39 ships in the convoy, 24 were destroyed.

    Trying to calm Stalin Churchill emphasized the destruction being wrought by the British bombing campaign over Germany.
    Next he tried to re-define the meaning of ‘second front’. Couldn’t the term ‘second front’, he argued, actually be stretched to also encompass an amphibious attack on French Africa? In which case the Western Allies were about to launch just such a second front – Operation Torch, which would land American troops in French Morocco in November 1942.

    One has to take into consideration the fact that the Soviet Union suffered huge losses. So for Stalin the whole issue of opening or not opening of the Second Front was an issue that meant big losses of men, it meant the liberation of the Soviet territories, it was the most important issue for him.'

    On the last evening of Churchill's visit Stalin asked him to dine with him in his private apartments. Churchill seized on the invitation and the two of them ate and drank long into the night, later joined by Molotov. At last, Churchill felt he had made a personal breakthrough. The Soviet leader laughed and joked (even if in the process he revealed the ruthlessness of his regime, by openly admitting that the Communists had killed the Soviet Kulaks, the rich peasants).

    Of course, none of the substantive issues between the two leaders had been resolved. Stalin still claimed he had been betrayed by the lack of the ‘promised’ second front, and Churchill still refused to make a deal with Stalin that would allow him, after the war, to keep the territory that he had gained as a result of the Nazi/Soviet pact.

    Read the full article here, it is interesting:
    http://ww2history.com/key_moments/Eastern/Churchill_meets_Stalin_in_Moscow
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    I pity Hitler and all the Germans gathered around him, literally worshiping, trusting and following him!!
    In 1942 they had no idea yet of what terrible fate lay ahead of them. Hitler's worst nightmare, being caught between two vicious and merciless foes, became reality.
    His folk stood by him to the last, hoping the promised "Wunderwaffe" would save them. But there was no save spot anywhere where they could have finished the atom bomb. And IF they had managed to finish it, where and how would they have dropped it?

    Here we all are, survivors and 3 new generations, gathered and scattered, chatting while waiting for the next WW to begin. :salute:
     
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    as the Russian "gathered around" Stalin.

    If Hitler had died on August 30, 1939, he would have gone down in history as the greatest politician.Monuments in his honor would stand throughout Germany today.

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    Secret archive reveals how Russia showed huge support for 'Christian crusader' Nazi invaders who had come to fight 'godless communists'

    By Allan Hall for MailOnline
    Updated: 17:24 GMT, 14 June 2011

    An extraordinary secret archive has revealed for the first time how thousands of Soviet citizens collaborated with Nazi invaders during World War II.

    The cache of documents, some retrieved from the files of the KGB, shows how many viewed the Germans as Christian liberators – and their own masters as godless Communists.

    This view was reinforced when the soldiers of the Third Reich opened up 470 churches in north-western Russia alone and reinstated priests driven from their pulpits by Stalin.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-Christian-crusader-Nazis-World-War-II.html
     
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    National Socialist poster portraying the "Holy war" of Christians vs. godless communists
     

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    The Russians had to gather around Stalin, otherwise they and their families would have been sent off to the gulags or be executed on the spot.
     
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    That's true... Stalin was feared not only by the West, but by his own people for which he had no regard. He murdered indiscriminately and nobody dared stop him. This paralyzing fear kept him in power for so long.
    Nevertheless, the Allies must have feared Hitler even more or how else can one explain their support for Stalin during the WWII? They could have, instead, helped Germany to fight Stalin and Communism. It is very much possible that the Jews, hating the Germans, played a major role in directing the Americans and British to first go for Hitler's throat.
     
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    The reason why the Allies teamed up with the Soviets was, because they were all under Masonic/Zionist control.
    A clear evidence of this was that the UK and France only declared war on Germany for invading Poland and not on the Soviet Union.

    Germany freed itself from the international banking system and within a few years time they became an economic superpower, while the rest of the world was still in recession.

    The bankers, who controlled the UK, US and Soviets, were afraid that more countries would have liked to follow the example, so Germany got set up for destruction.
     
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    BINGO! That is it! I forgot about that. And all three Amigos were Jews or part Jewish.
    Again, a true fact I forgot! Hitler looked out for the common people, the workers. They were his main loyal supporters. He raised the working conditions, arranged paid holidays, declared the First of May a national holiday for the workers...
    A great article written by Leon Degrelle describes the magic:

    How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany and Launched a Social Revolution


    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/soc_rev2.htm


    There was no way out for Hitler but go to war and hope for the best.I think he still didn't see the trap. Had he done nothing Russia would have overrun Europe. That was not what the Western allies wanted, so they armed Hitler and Russia to go against each other and they made sure Germany would lose.
     
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    Here is a recent (2013) book I found on the Internet by Viktor Suvorov called:

    The Chief Culprit: Stalin’s Grand Design to Start World War II

    Bestselling author Victor Suvorov probes newly released Soviet documents and reevaluates existing material to analyze Stalin’s strategic design to conquer Europe and the reasons behind his controversial support for Nazi Germany.

    A former Soviet army intelligence officer, the author explains that Stalin’s strategy leading up to World War II grew from Vladimir Lenin’s belief that, if World War I did not ignite the worldwide Communist revolution, then a second world war would be needed to achieve it.

    Stalin saw Nazi Germany as the power that would fight and weaken capitalist countries so that Soviet armies could then sweep across Europe.

    Suvorov reveals how Stalin conspired with German leaders to bypass the Versailles Treaty, which forbade German rearmament, and secretly trained German engineers and officers and provided bases and factories for war. He also calls attention to the 1939 nonaggression pact between the Soviet Union and Germany that allowed Hitler to proceed with his plans to invade Poland, fomenting war in Europe.

    Suvorov debunks the theory that Stalin was duped by Hitler and that the Soviet Union was a victim of Nazi aggression. Instead, he makes the case that Stalin neither feared Hitler nor mistakenly trusted him. Suvorov maintains that after Germany occupied Poland, defeated France, and started to prepare for an invasion of Great Britain, Hitler’s intelligence services detected the Soviet Union’s preparations for a major war against Germany.

    This detection, he argues, led to Germany’s preemptive war plan and the launch of an invasion of the USSR.

    Stalin emerges from the pages of this book as a diabolical genius consumed by visions of a worldwide Communist revolution at any cost—a leader who wooed Hitler and Germany in his own effort to conquer the world.

    In contradicting traditional theories about Soviet planning, the book is certain to provoke debate among historians throughout the world.


    http://barnesreview.org/product/the-chief-culprit-stalins-grand-design-to-start-world-war-ii/
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    So, it was not Hitler who wanted to conquer the world as still claimed today by his Western enemies. It was Stalin and Communism!
    That Hitler also wanted to invade England is new to me. There Suvorov is mistaken.
     
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    Hitler needed a propaganda tool. Hitler's Wehrmacht and SS had been blessed In these churches.
    This tool did not worked for a long time. When it appeared that the Germans would not have canceled the collective ( колхоз). When the Germans began to loot and steal Youth to Germany. Then a guerrilla war began.
     
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    The same can be said about Hitler. Hitler did not stand on ceremony with his opponents in Germany, too.
     
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    Dear opponent.
    It is not the "Pact 1939" "allowed to Hitler to proceed with his plans to invade Poland, fomenting war in Europe.".
    Hitler has come a long way to go before come to these "Pact".....
    First there was Munich 1938.
    Then Hitler had been allowed to take all of Czechoslovakia (the majority). This greatly increased the resources of Germany. Without that Hitler could not even think about Poland. It is logical?

    2....USSR cooperated secretly with Germany, but after Hitler came to power, Stalin interrupted this cooperation ..
     
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    It's right. The difference between Stalin and Hitler:
    -Stalin wanted to bring happiness to the whole world.
    -Gitler wanted to bring happiness to his country.

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    Indeed, the Germans had setup workcamps for enemies of the State, criminals and undesirables, BUT those camps were nothing like the Gulags which were just brutal, cold and deadly slave camps.
    The German camps had all kind of facilities, like bars, cantinas, small shops, theatre, hospitals, swimming pools, zoos, camp currency, orchestras, football tournaments, mail to be sent by inmates etc. to make living somewhat more comfortable. It still wasn't fun to be put in such a camp, but nothing by the likes what the Soviets had.
     

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