More than 52,000 Canadians left the country for medical care in 2014

The "Commonwealth Fund" report????

Seriously????

LMFAO!

 

Communist would have also worked.

 

I agree.
Just partisan fodder.

 

What's wrong with the American health care system when 750,000 people have to go abroad because it's cheaper? Plus, are all of those 52,000 Canadians coming here for health care?

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Exactly. The whole thread is silly. 52,000 is not a lot of people.

 

Since health care is cost prohibitive, many people skip required medical check ups. As the result they diagnosed late and many die earlier. That essentially means that access to health care is denied.

 

Are you serious? That is the report the article in your OP is based on. Am I in bizzaro world? I am citing the article you posted.

 

From the article in your own post:

 

As I said before.

Rich people don't want to wait in line. I say fine, let them go. One less name on the waiting list for those who can't afford to travel.

 

It's sad to watch right wingers yell about high deductible Obamacare plans, when every single Republican proposal for health care reform were centered around high deductible plans. Bush called it the "ownership society".

Now that your dream came true, you're trying to make something of it!

 

Obamacare leaves the same number of people uninsured as before it was implemented. It does not save families $2500 a year as promised, does not cover everyone as promised and does not permit you to keep your own doctor if you wish. It's sad to watch lefties try to explain those realities away.

 

I think you need to read again.

The article was based on "a study conducted by the Fraser Institute"....

 

Sadly, the non rich who have life threatening situations go on waiting lists there and die.

 

Considering the NHS horror stories, I expect many leave your nation for similar reasons. Just sayin'.

 

It's based on both studies and the study is used by the author of the article. So you are saying you don't actually trust the article you posted? Pretty typical, you except without question the stats from the one study because you think it makes Canada's healthcare system look bad.

But when you compare the same stats to the US and it shows the US is far worse. . .you unequivocally don't except a study even though the author of the article you so blazing touted as showing Canada's HC system to being flawed thought to include it.

Me thinks you have an agenda here. . .

 

The "Commonwealth Fund" reports have been debunked in the past...

Commonwealth Ranking: Are We Really 19th Out of 19?

 

And what kind of stats have found found to confirm this?

 

And what kind of stats have found found to confirm this?

 

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/rese...Times-for-Health-Care-in-Canada,-2013-Report/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...sal-health-care-is-the-goal-dont-copy-canada/

 

Similar numbers for similar reasons I suspect. That just supports my point - none of this demonstrates any kind of fundamental failure of any healthcare system nor that the healthcare systems anywhere else are automatically better.

Actually, for all the vast differences in structures, funding and politics, the general health outcomes in all these countries are suprisingly similar. It's almost as if the real causes of problems in healthcare are largely the same across the developed world and all the political arguments and nationalistic one-upmanship is just snipping at the edges.

 

They must be coming for some of that free Obamacare! They know the true Messiah when they see him.

Seriously though, Mexico has a thriving "medical tourtist" trade currently. Mostly from U.S. citizens who can get it less expensive or even treatments not available in the U.S.

 

But here in the USA,the proponents of Obamacare and possibly single payer need to look no further than the UK or Canada as proof that it works. That is the difference.

 

How about something that doesn't come from the Fraiser institute? (on par with your Heritage group when it comes to Bias. The forbes article was written by a senior Fraiser institute fellow)

The reason I distrust those studies is that every other group who studies this has concluded that calculating these wait times is extremely difficult due to the lack of available information.

Here is the report from the 'Wait Time Alliance' who catalogs wait times across the country for procedures. http://www.waittimealliance.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/FINAL-EN-WTA-Report-Card.pdf

If you look at the charts, remember that Orange means 'insufficient data'. See the large swaths of orange?

Now, I will fully agree that our wait times and rising costs are the biggest issues facing Canadian Health Care, but personally I think that allowing private systems to support our public system is the best way to offer "free" (notice the quotes) health care to our populace.

 

Riiight. ALL my links are wrong because you disagree with them. Here ya go Cubed. Pick one out of the following link that works for ya.

http://tinyurl.com/k9of495

And your link is what? The fox watching the hen house? Please.

 

Well both were from the same institute, which I believe is biased, so yes.

As for your list, I already agreed that waiting times were one of the 2 biggest problems facing our HC system, and then offered a possible solution. But I guess you missed that part....

 

Single payer as implemented in the UK or Canada is largely irrelevant to the US. The fundamental infrastructure is so different that any single payer system introduced in the US would be very different (with its own advantages and pitfalls).

The immediate healthcare problem in the US is partisan politics. The arguments about things like "Obamacare" (as the common name proves) have little to do with actually providing quality healthcare to your citizens, it's about votes. It's the problem with pretty much any issue that would require longer than a single term of office to properly address.