More than 52,000 Canadians left the country for medical care in 2014

If Canada's socialized medicine is so good, why are they going elsewhere to get treated? It doesn't say where they're going but my guess it was right here in the good old UsofA! And, if Obama and his cronies get their way and we get a similar system, where will patients from other countries like Canada go then?

“In 2014, the average patient in Canada could expect to wait almost 10 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing specialist. This wait time is more than three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically reasonable,” Barua said.

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CBO Says ACA Will Insure Fewer People Than Predicted @ http://economics21.org/commentary/cbo-says-aca-insure-fewer-people-predicted-2015-03-16

How can this be? I thought the whole purpose of this monstrosity was to provide healthcare to ALL Americans.

 

Wait one darn minute.

I'm constantly told by the left that other countries National healthcare systems are better than our free market system of healtcare and that we must "progress" and change ours to match theirs.

If so, then why are Canadians seeking healthcare beyond its own borders???

Inquiring minds want to know.

More than 52,000 Canadians travelled abroad for health care last year, study finds

 

Guess they aren't as dumb as the UK'ers who just continue to go and die at the hands of their Government run health care.

 

52,000 thats quite a few.

How many in the US have NO health care v/s how many in Canada?

It's a stupid comparison. The Canadian system is still many times better because everyone has access.

 

Medicaid? Also I will say everyone in the US has access to healthcare.

 

Since Obamacare, there's been only a 1.2% increase of insured Americans, and I'd imagine most of them are enrolled in medicare.

Total waste!

 

I'd much prefer the Canadian system to Obamacare. Single payer is the best mode of health care delivery.

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Access to bad health care beats not having access to great health care.

I don't care if people who can afford it have to fly to mexico to get health care.

 

http://www.mdnews.com/news/2014_07/...ities-—-and-costs-—-
of-medical-tourism.aspx;

Just sayin'.

 

Good access to bad health care doesn't seem like it's any better than what we had before Obama Care.

FYI "uninsured" does NOT mean can't get health care. The HRSA on-line finder has a low cost/no cost Federally funded Health clinics.

There are many State and County programs you can find on line as well.

Now when you take away all the people with access to these Health Care programs, how many actually have no access.

The clinics aren't as convenient, you may have to wait in line. But, Health Care is out there for those without insurance.

 

The problem is the doctors went on to greener pastures. Why make $100,000 a year, running a government treadmill when you can make that rebuilding a couple corporate raiders wives butts in the good ole US of A?

 

No one in the U.S. is denied access to healthcare.

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Spoken like a true big-government statist.

 

Mexico has a niche in US citizens healthcare and growing.

 

And thousands of foreigner comes here to deliver their babies and to get medical help...

Canadafreepress isn't really canadian. It's a US owned birther site.

 

Given your thread was started a few minutes before the one in Current Events, I'll post this here too;

http://www.mdnews.com/news/2014_07/...ities-—-and-costs-—-
of-medical-tourism.aspx;

Just sayin'.

 

Try understand this. Some Canadians do not want to wait in line. They have sufficient wealth to go to the US and obtain the same medical service in a private clinic.

The other choice is to get the same service but they would have to wait in line.

Now is our medical program perfect? Of course not.

However consider this:

"Health care in Canada typically costs less per person than it does in the United States. According to a study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) suggests that Canadians pay up to 50 percent less than Americans for care. Their average yearly expenditure is around $4,400 per month according to the OECD. Health care is cheaper for physicians in Canada as well. Canadian doctors also save money because they spend less time pursuing payment for their services than American doctors. As a result of this efficiency, they spend $60,000 less per year than American doctors to get reimbursement. While American doctors deal with a multitude of government agencies and an even greater number of insurance companies and their different rules, Canadian physicians face just one set of procedures for receiving compensation."

source:https://www.kanetix.ca/comparing-health-insurance-in-canada-vs-america


Here's an article that responds directly to the myth of Canadians flocking to the US for medical care:

source: http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

"How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?

I don’t deny that some well-off people might come to the United States for medical care. If I needed a heart or lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather have it done. But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.

The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.

How Many Canadians Use the U.S. Health System?Do not come to the US for care: 99.39%C
ome to US for care electively: 0.5%
Use the US for emergency care: 0.11%

Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.


The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.

Then, the researchers looked at how many Canadians were discharged over a five-year period from acute-care hospitals in the same three states. They found that more than 80 percent of these hospital visits were for emergency or urgent care (that is, tourists who had to go to the emergency room). Only about 20 percent of the visits were for elective procedures or care.

Next, the authors of the study surveyed America’s 20 “best” hospitals — as identified by U.S. News & World Report — on the assumption that if Canadians were going to travel for health care, they would be more likely to go to the best-known and highest-quality facilities. Only one of the 11 hospitals that responded saw more than 60 Canadians in a year. And, again, that included both emergencies and elective care.

Finally, the study’s authors examined data from the 18,000 Canadians who participated in the National Population Health Survey. In the previous year, 90 of those 18,000 Canadians had received care in the United States; only 20 of them, however, reported going to the United States expressively for the purpose of obtaining care."

Here though is my favourite: here's an article Where Sara Palin admits using our Canadian medicare system..the same one she thinks should be dismantled and in that article it stated:

"A report last spring by Deloitte Center for Health Solutions said 750,000 U.S. residents travelled abroad for medical care in 2007 and forecast that number would rise to six million by 2010. That trend far outpaces the number of Canadians coming to the U.S. for medical treatment."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/palin-ridiculed-for-canadian-health-care-use-1.944215

 

Wait one darn minute. Guess how many US citizens travel abroad for health care every year? 750,000. How many times more is that than Canada? A hell of a lot. Why are so many Americans leaving the country for health care? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe Canada is doing something right after all.

http://www.cdc.gov/features/medicaltourism/

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No, you just go bankrupt while accessing it.

 

It's because rich folks don't want to wait in line. If they have the money, I say giver. One less name on the waiting list for someone who can't afford to travel.

I'm also curious as to what they consider 'medical treatment'. I know a lot of people go to mexico for Dental work as it's (at least in my province) a completely unregulated industry. A crown here will cost you 1500-2500 whereas in Mexico you can get the same quality of work for 2-3 hundred a pop.

Sure we have a few issues here and there, but it's a far-sight better then the US system.

 

Where will the Canadians, and the Americans, go for healthcare once the leftists have destroyed healthcare in the U.S.? Mexico? Cuba? Venezuela?

 

Sure they can. That's why we we need a single payer system.

 

52k out of 35+million doesn't really inspire a 'gasp' out of me.
Nor does the 750k out of 300+million that lee posted.

I would be curious what percentage of those 'medical tourists' were in search of alternative cancer treatments though.
My guess would be quite a large portion but that's just a guess.

 

Apparently quite a few places. See my post #13 above. We Americans travel abroad for medical care far more than Canadians.

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That's my point. This "study" is meaningless.

 

For elective surgeries (like the ones you are citing 52,000 Canadians seek outside the country to cut wait times). . .LOL

No, you don't get elective surgeries in the US if you can't pay for it. Feel free to try it though.

BTW, from your article:

I mean seriously. . .

 

So, Canadians seeking healthcare abroad because "lack of available resources and equipment", "desire for more advanced health care facilities and technology" and "long wait-times" is somehow better than Americans seeking healthcare abroad because it's "cheaper in another country" or because immigrants return "to their home country for care"??????